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I see what you mean, and I am divided on the issue. On one hand, I don't think it's fair to have AI companies to freely scrape the world without fairly compensa

I see what you mean, and I am divided on the issue. On one hand, I don't think it's fair to have AI companies to freely scrape the world without fairly compensating content producers. On the other hand, adding more gatekeepers to the web ends up killing it. This feels like a lose-lose situation.

Joel_Mckay 1y ago
That is a lot of hands... Are you AI generated? lol =3
- FungalRaincloud 1y ago
  Two _is_ more than the average, but not by that much...
CrulesAll 1y ago
That feels like a bog basic false choice fallacy.
- motorest 1y ago
  > That feels like a bog basic false choice fallacy. Only if you somehow believe you have a choice, or even a say.
swed420 1y ago
In some positive news today, Cloudflare is sponsoring the Ladybird browser effort: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45332860 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45332860 That's not nothing.
- nicce 1y ago
  Likely related on getting influece in order to enforce the gatekeeping standards, unfortunately.
  - swed420 1y ago
    Even if you end up being right, which is not outside of the realm of possibility, it's still huge to get a boost on breaking the browser duopoly while ironing out longstanding issues with web standards.
- AuthAuth 1y ago
  Its a token gesture. Ladybird is not a serious disruption.
  - swed420 1y ago
    How could you be so confident about such a thing? Are you implying it's going to fail in its goal as a competing browser, or that the competition is somehow irrelevant in a world that's forced to be slave to Google/Apple?
    - AuthAuth 1y ago
      I'm implying that Ladybird will never grow to the size where it will have any influence on the internet. So this donation is a token gesture to making things better and will be unlikely to change anything. I dont think Ladybird will ever surpass Firefox and to have any impact it would need to be at least as popular as firefox.
      - swed420 1y ago
        If the mere existence of Ladybird is enough to keep Mozilla's behavior in check, then that alone is worth it. It need not have major adoption to be useful in this sense.
atmosx 1y ago
> On the other hand, adding more gatekeepers to the web ends up killing it. LOL, what?
switzer 1y ago
Cloudflare is most active in pushing standards, and highlighting the issue of bots scraping web pages for free. That said, the other major CDNs (e.g. Akamai, Fastly) also have Bot Management functionality, so hopefully this is not a gatekeeping scenario, more of a standards-building scenario.

Joel_Mckay 1y ago

That is a lot of hands... Are you AI generated? lol =3

FungalRaincloud 1y ago
Two _is_ more than the average, but not by that much...

CrulesAll 1y ago

That feels like a bog basic false choice fallacy.

motorest 1y ago
> That feels like a bog basic false choice fallacy. Only if you somehow believe you have a choice, or even a say.

swed420 1y ago

In some positive news today, Cloudflare is sponsoring the Ladybird browser effort: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45332860 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45332860 That's not nothing.

nicce 1y ago
Likely related on getting influece in order to enforce the gatekeeping standards, unfortunately.
- swed420 1y ago
  Even if you end up being right, which is not outside of the realm of possibility, it's still huge to get a boost on breaking the browser duopoly while ironing out longstanding issues with web standards.
AuthAuth 1y ago
Its a token gesture. Ladybird is not a serious disruption.
- swed420 1y ago
  How could you be so confident about such a thing? Are you implying it's going to fail in its goal as a competing browser, or that the competition is somehow irrelevant in a world that's forced to be slave to Google/Apple?
  - AuthAuth 1y ago
    I'm implying that Ladybird will never grow to the size where it will have any influence on the internet. So this donation is a token gesture to making things better and will be unlikely to change anything. I dont think Ladybird will ever surpass Firefox and to have any impact it would need to be at least as popular as firefox.
    - swed420 1y ago
      If the mere existence of Ladybird is enough to keep Mozilla's behavior in check, then that alone is worth it. It need not have major adoption to be useful in this sense.

atmosx 1y ago

> On the other hand, adding more gatekeepers to the web ends up killing it. LOL, what?

switzer 1y ago

Cloudflare is most active in pushing standards, and highlighting the issue of bots scraping web pages for free. That said, the other major CDNs (e.g. Akamai, Fastly) also have Bot Management functionality, so hopefully this is not a gatekeeping scenario, more of a standards-building scenario.