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I cannot for the life of me understand the Omarchy hype. The Linux community has been theming their distribution installs for decades. What distinguishes this f
by femiagbabiaka 1y ago
I cannot for the life of me understand the Omarchy hype. The Linux community has been theming their distribution installs for decades. What distinguishes this from that?
- rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 1y ago>What distinguishes this from that? More eyes on it, DHH has a big following.
- leoc 1y agoAlso, there's always been a section of the desktop-Linux user community which is inclined to get very excited about about hypebeast window managers. Back in the day Slashdot was absolutely buzzing about Enlightenment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightenment_(window_manager) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightenment_(window_manager) .
- nixosbestos 1y agoDude, if you ever find out, let me know. I don't get it, and it makes me incredibly skeptical of people that acted like Linux was unusable until this god-send of a shipped default config came around. I cannot possibly roll my eyes harder. Just goes to show how much hype accounts for, still, even in nerd circles.
- Avicebron 1y agoOmarchy is DHH of rails fame. Lots of us like ruby a lot (myself very much included), that being said I've got Omarchy running on a vm as a test case and in the <2 minutes I've looked at it i dont really think it's very intuitive.
- sonar_un 1y agoI spent 2 days trying to get it to run in a VM and it was not playing well. So I just gave it up.
- ilogik 1y agoIt's created by dev Jesus /s
- azemetre 1y agoIt's a way for web developers to easily work in the linux sphere without getting burdened too heavily. Not saying that as a dig to web devs, I'm a web deb but that's all it really appears to me. Popular dude in web dev community made it slightly easier for other web devs to do a thing.
- threetonesun 1y agoWhich is a great use of Linux. I have gaming oriented ones (Bazzite, SteamOS) installed for gaming, why not a dev oriented one for dev-ing.
- dmix 1y agoSteamOS is a good analogy Or Kali Linux
- ergocoder 1y agoIt's not just slightly easier. It's much easier. Sure, there's no innovation in it. But not everything has to be innovative. Useful things can be important too.
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- gsibble 1y agoIt's just a very simple Linux install meant for developers. It's not for people who have used Linux before but meant to be a way for new people to try it for the first time. And it's getting a lot of attention because of DHH. Doesn't look half bad either which helps.
- 827a 1y agoDevelopers oftentimes struggle to understand how important marketing is.
- thewebguyd 1y agoIt's popularity I think comes from a) it's brain dead easy to get running while also being a very usable and nice hyprland config b) it's from DHH which has cult following status I'd argue there's a fairly big niche of people who want a tiling WM but also don't want to have to start from scratch, figure out what accompanying utilities and programs they want to satisfy things like runner/menu, status bar, etc. Other dots aren't as opinionated, or don't come with such a detailed user guide that Omarchy does, nor a set up script. I'd even argue that Omarchy isn't really for other Linux users looking to distro hop, but like Omakub, it's for mac users curious about Linux, wanting an equally opinionated set up.
- noir_lord 1y agoFirst time I've heard of omarchy, that said often when I really don't understand the hype of a product I have to remember it's possibly just not for me. I've been a desktop linux user since the 90's and entirely since 2003 (excluding gaming) so I'm not the target user. Cute in the video on the omarchy page that they use Edward Hopper's - Nighthawks painting (~11m) - that was my default wallpaper for about 15 years on Linux.
- dismalaf 1y agoI think it started when PewDiePie released his Arch/Hyprland video, then DHH jumped on the train and made it super easy to install, now everyone can feel like a hacker/ricer easily. Maybe I'm boring but I'm sticking to Debian/Gnome...
- robinhood 1y agoThe great strength of Omarchy is the fact that they've repackaged every good things from many different projects (arch, hyperland, and many packages) so I can install a fully functional distro with nice defaults, and every hardware working (bluetooth etc...), in less than 3 minutes without any interaction whatsoever. And it just works. Not because of Omarchy per se, but because they scripted the hell out of it so it just works™. It's not magic, but damn it's nice.
- boxed 1y agoIsn't that just Ubuntu?
- Perz1val 1y agoYes, but ubuntu made stupid choices most developers don't agree with
- whitepaint 1y agoLike what?
- slipheen 1y agoThe big one for me is moving packages to snap. You can work around it, but that defeats the whole “works out of the box” aspect
- input_sh 1y agoRight now, snap (2016-present). Before that, Unity instead of GNOME (2011-2017), Mir instead of Wayland (2006-2015), Upstart instead of systemd (2013-2017). They always do something custom-made and not adopted by anyone else, only to completely backpedal and go with what everyone else has already been doing. So, even if you like their custom-made solution you'll eventually end up being disappointed. After that, it becomes like a relic that only some frustrated sysadmins like me will have to deal with whenever we interact with some legacy systems, which definitely doesn't help with Ubuntu's overall reputation.
- kelvinjps 1y agoBasically, it comes from DHH, who has a kind of big following. Primeagen also made some videos, and it's good enough.
- cosmic_cheese 1y agoOmarchy isn’t for me, but for those who find a minimal tiled Linux desktop interesting but don’t want to get lost in the jungle setting their own thing up, I don’t think you can possibly do better. It’s throughly thought through, polished, streamlined, and designed specifically to be accessible to newcomers.
- zeppelin101 1y agoOmarchy sounds very compelling (though I'm personally done with trying to run Linux on the desktop), but tiling window managers are just not very practical, for numerous reasons. DHH would be wise to also offer and optimize non-tiling WM setups.
- cosmic_cheese 1y agoI agree, but that seems unlikely given his inclinations. While there's loads of options for distributions that ship with a traditional floating window manager/desktop environment, few have gone the extra mile in holistic design with e.g. unified configuration and eliminating hoop-jumping to the greatest extent possible.
- thomastjeffery 1y agoHave you tried KDE/plasma6 recently? IMHO, it's better than anything else, including Windows and OS X.
- cosmic_cheese 1y agoPlasma isn't bad and better than Windows in most respects, but it's kind of the opposite of Omarchy in that it has a trillion toggles and its defaults don't work for many, so a good deal of tweaking is required to make it "cozy".
- thomastjeffery 1y agoI'm curious which defaults you find so unusable. I'm rather fiddly and particular, but I haven't done much more to my KDE setup than disable mouse acceleration.
- troupo 1y agoIt's a dead-simple distribution with an opinionated setup that, well, mostly just works. It's a techie's version of a non-tech distribution where you don't have to tweak anything (or almost anything) to get a nice experience out of the box. Think of it as "Ubuntu, but explicitly marketed for devs" Plus hype because DHH is a well-known figure. Linux fandom really doesn't understand the power of defaults and the power of user experience. I mean, in the first versions of Omarchy installer you had to type in some CLI commands just to select and connect to wifi. This comes from Arch, a " a lightweight and flexible Linux® distribution that tries to Keep It Simple" [1] What's more simple than connecting to one of the most ubiquitous connection types via iwctl [2] during OS installation. So DHH decided to make an opinionated config that mostly just works and provide you with a few conveniences out of the box. [1] Yes, those capital letters are on their website https://archlinux.org https://archlinux.org [2] https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Iwd#iwctl https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Iwd#iwctl
- cosmic_cheese 1y ago> It's a dead-simple distribution with an opinionated setup that, well, mostly just works. Sounds a lot like Rails when you put it that way, which is no coincidence given the figure behind it.
- minton 1y ago> At its core, Omarchy embraces Linux . . . makes a version of it that is accessible and fun to use for developers that don’t have a deep background in operating systems.
- kyawzazaw 1y agoout of box experience that provides sane defaults with minimal effort to get to working mode
- wyclif 1y agoGood description of what Omarchy really is. It's for two groups of people: 1/ (biggest group by far) People who are new to Linux on the desktop and, to a lesser extent, want to get out of the macOS ecosystem 2/ Power users who run Arch btw, and have probably installed, configured, partitioned, and encrypted Arch without the installer script at least a few times and now want a sane default Arch + Hyprland install with sane defaults and a production-grade environment in just a few minutes
- trostaft 1y agoI don't think it's that crazy. Hyprland has, for a long time, looked really lovely when configured. But most don't want to configure it, the linux ricing community is really small in proportion to even the people who want to install Linux. Omarchy is dead-simple to install, has good documentation, decent opinions[1], and has huge influence because of DHH himself. I stopped running it myself after while, in favor of configuring my own Hyprland install, but it's an easily accessible shiny new thing by someone with a big following. Seems reasonable to me that people like it. [1]: I don't agree with all of them, e.g. the chatbot shortcuts. But they're trivial to disable and/or redirect and, indeed, the project does a good job of trying not to mess with your changes.
- CSDude 1y agoIt's so opinionated but many people find it okay. And it's hard to install Arch successfully. Compared to Ubuntu Arch's package manager (also combined with AUR) are great. I use every possible opportunity to say "Fuck Ubuntu Snaps"
- slightwinder 1y agoThe interesting part is, how not dev-friendly their website looks and acts. It smells more like a toy for r/unixporn than something that actually caters to real developers. How old is this project? Is this just a result of lacking manpower?
- dham 1y agoReminds me of the rsync Dropbox comment lol.
- asadm 1y agoHow blind are most developers to UX being a primary selling point.
- femiagbabiaka 1y agoThis is a great example of the insane levels of hype I’m talking about. Dropbox was never just some scripts and config files.
- znpy 1y agoIt's "hannah montana linux" (https://linuxreviews.org/Hannah_Montana_Linux https://linuxreviews.org/Hannah_Montana_Linux) for the late 2020s.
- marginalia_nu 1y agoArch linux is a great linux distro that's kinda difficult to set up (more so historically but it's got that reputation). Hyprland is a great WM that has garbage default settings and requires wading through tons of documentation, as well as a lot of effort to set up. Omarchy is a distribution that ships Arch + Hyprland with sane defaults. The whole thing installs in minutes, and is overall very easy to get going with. This has lead to a lot of people who were previously turned off by all the sharp edges of both Arch and Hyprland to give Arch and Hyprland a shot. Since both of these things are pretty great once you get them going, a lot of people are enthusiastic.
- Xerox9213 1y agoDoes Omarchy offer anything other than opinionated dotfiles? These have always existed.
- 1oooqooq 1y agoabsolutely not. every single arch user thought of making a distro with opinionated defaults, but then they realize the just have to edit the wiki to provide the community the same benefit. some rich dude lack the self awareness for such. he's both ignoring advanced users would rather have option open and defaults documented, and new users would just use manjaro.
- marginalia_nu 1y agoI like Omarchy as an advanced user. I migrated off vanilla Arch + Hypr to Omarchy because it saves me a bunch of hassle setting all that up myself. I want the outcome, don't particularly enjoy the fiddling. I definitely could, I've even done LFS way back in the day, but I have other things I'd rather do with my time these days. I think it's in many ways a project that caters to professional programmers. It's definitely not for beginners, neither for enthusiasts. I respect there are people who would rather do all the fiddling themselves, but that's not what I'm looking for, and neither am I looking for a windows- or mac-a-like desktop environment like the ones you get with most distros. What I want in a desktop is exactly what Omarchy is offering.
- pmdr 1y agoThe Linux community has, to my knowledge, never had someone with DHH's outreach experience and promote a "come-to-Linux" moment. Especially after using Apple products for 20 years. Also, it has sane, sensible and appealing defaults. It's installable in a few minutes, so it saves time. I'm a happy Omakub user, even if I first used Linux back in 2005.
- sleepybrett 1y agoNot going to lie, the big Grok ad in that homepage video made me nope out pretty quick.
- k_bx 1y agoYou just need to watch the video to get the hype: it's the specific person leading the hype, with pretty good presentation and loyal audience. At least to me it made sense once I've seen it (the hype made sense, not the distro).
- ergocoder 1y agoThe quality is pretty good too. You try it and it works decently. It looks great and ready to go. It serves as a foundation to customize your linux. This is not like DHH selling dogshit to you. It's a high quality package / product or whatever you want to call it.. Now everyone is thinking why nobody did this un-innovative thing before DHH did.
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