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Isn't the case in engineering cultures, like Boeing before they changed into a business culture.

by amelius 1y ago

ActionHank 1y ago
Is there any engineering culture left in the US? I feel like this is the case across the board.
- JohnFen 1y ago
  Yes, there is. In every place that I've worked, including my current position, acknowledging when you're wrong or have failed at something increases trust in you and your professionalism. People who always have an excuse, try to shift blame, etc., are assumed to be lacking in competency (let alone ethics and trustworthiness).
  - ActionHank 1y ago
    My point is less around how engineers behave, and more around how organisations behave. If an organisation is constantly retrenching experienced staff and cutting corners to increase earnings rather than being driven by engineering first, it doesn't matter what the engineers do amongst themselves. This culture, in fact, rewards engineers doing a bad job.
    - JohnFen 1y ago
      Not all organizations behave that way, though. If you reword my comment to indicate the company attitudes themselves, it still largely holds true. I confess to a selection bias, because I won't work at a company that doesn't behave that way. Life is too short for that BS. However, that I maintain employment at the expected pay rates while doing so indicates that there are a lot of companies who don't behave the way you describe. All that said, I certainly don't deny that there are also a lot of companies who do behave as you describe.
      - ethbr1 1y ago
        The differentiator is market value. Any company that does engineering "well" likely has slower growth and a smaller PE multiple. Consequently, you don't hear about it nearly as much as the splashy, full-financial-speed-ahead companies. Tl;dr - don't buy products or services from companies with high valuation stock prices... they're making that profit somewhere
  - navane 1y ago
    The point is not to have an excuse or shift blame, but just talk over the issue "tired of talking about $thing", and shift the conversation.
    - Smoosh 1y ago
      "Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein?”
breve 1y ago
Tesla doesn't cultivate an engineering culture. Tesla encourages a culture of lying. Some engineers have become so corrupted by it that they're willing to lie about things that there's no need to lie about, like quarter mile times of the Cybertruck: https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/tesla-cybertruck-beast-vs-porsche-911-carrera-t-drag-race-towing-rematch https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/tesla-cybertruck-beast-vs... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J3H8--CQRE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J3H8--CQRE The lead engineer on the Cybertruck sadly tried to defend the lie: https://x.com/wmorrill3/status/1746266437088645551 https://x.com/wmorrill3/status/1746266437088645551 They never even ran that quarter mile.

Isn't the case in engineering cultures, like Boeing before they changed into a business culture.

ActionHank 1y ago

Is there any engineering culture left in the US? I feel like this is the case across the board.

JohnFen 1y ago
Yes, there is. In every place that I've worked, including my current position, acknowledging when you're wrong or have failed at something increases trust in you and your professionalism. People who always have an excuse, try to shift blame, etc., are assumed to be lacking in competency (let alone ethics and trustworthiness).
- ActionHank 1y ago
  My point is less around how engineers behave, and more around how organisations behave. If an organisation is constantly retrenching experienced staff and cutting corners to increase earnings rather than being driven by engineering first, it doesn't matter what the engineers do amongst themselves. This culture, in fact, rewards engineers doing a bad job.
  - JohnFen 1y ago
    Not all organizations behave that way, though. If you reword my comment to indicate the company attitudes themselves, it still largely holds true. I confess to a selection bias, because I won't work at a company that doesn't behave that way. Life is too short for that BS. However, that I maintain employment at the expected pay rates while doing so indicates that there are a lot of companies who don't behave the way you describe. All that said, I certainly don't deny that there are also a lot of companies who do behave as you describe.
    - ethbr1 1y ago
      The differentiator is market value. Any company that does engineering "well" likely has slower growth and a smaller PE multiple. Consequently, you don't hear about it nearly as much as the splashy, full-financial-speed-ahead companies. Tl;dr - don't buy products or services from companies with high valuation stock prices... they're making that profit somewhere
- navane 1y ago
  The point is not to have an excuse or shift blame, but just talk over the issue "tired of talking about $thing", and shift the conversation.
  - Smoosh 1y ago
    "Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein?”

breve 1y ago

Tesla doesn't cultivate an engineering culture. Tesla encourages a culture of lying. Some engineers have become so corrupted by it that they're willing to lie about things that there's no need to lie about, like quarter mile times of the Cybertruck: https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/tesla-cybertruck-beast-vs-porsche-911-carrera-t-drag-race-towing-rematch https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/tesla-cybertruck-beast-vs... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J3H8--CQRE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J3H8--CQRE The lead engineer on the Cybertruck sadly tried to defend the lie: https://x.com/wmorrill3/status/1746266437088645551 https://x.com/wmorrill3/status/1746266437088645551 They never even ran that quarter mile.