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From the article: Anthropic has been suffering from pretty terrible reliability problems. In the past, factories used to shut down when there was a shortage of

by joz1-k 1y ago

From the article: Anthropic has been suffering from pretty terrible reliability problems. In the past, factories used to shut down when there was a shortage of coal for steam engines or when the electricity supply failed. In the future, programmers will have factory holidays when their AI-coding language model is down.

corentin88 1y ago
Same as GitHub or Slack downtimes severely impact productivity.
- thw_9a83c 1y ago
  I would argue that dependency on GitHub and Slack is not the same as dependency on AI coding agents. GitHub/Slack are just straightforward tools. You can run them locally or have similar emergency backup tools ready to run locally. But depending on AI agents is like relying on external brains that have knowledge you suddenly don't have if they disappear. Moreover, how many companies could afford to run these models locally? Some of those models aren't even open.
  - danielbln 1y ago
    There are plenty of open weight agentic coding models out there. Small ones you can run on a Macbook, big heavy ones you can run on some rented cloud instance. Also, if Anthropic is down, there is still Google, OpenAI, Mistral, Deepseek and so on. This seems like not much of an issue, honestly.
    - thw_9a83c 1y ago
      The small ones that you can run on a MacBook are quite useless for programming. Once you have access to a state-of-the-art model, it's difficult to accept any downgrade. That's why I think AI-driven programming will always rely on data centers and the best models. > if Anthropic is down, there is still Google, OpenAI, Mistral, Deepseek and so on No company is going to pay for subscriptions to all of them. Either way, we'll see a new layer of fragility caused by overdependence on AI. Surely, though, we will adapt by learning from every major event related to this.
      - danielbln 1y ago
        > The small ones that you can run on a MacBook are quite useless for programming. That really depends on your Macbook :). If you throw enough RAM at it, something like a qwen3-coder will be pretty good. It won't stack up to Claude, or Gemini or GPT, of course, but it's certainly better than nothing and better than useless. > No company is going to pay for subscriptions to all of them. They don't have to, every lab offers API based pricing. If Anthropic is down, I can hop straight into Codex and use GPT-5 via API, or Gemini via Vertex, or just hop onto AWS Bedrock and continue to use Claude etc. I don't think this is an issue in practice, honestly.
    - bongodongobob 1y ago
      They exist, but you can't do serious work with them.
  - marcellus23 1y ago
    How exactly can you run GitHub or Slack locally? Their entire purpose is being a place where people can communicate, they need to be centrally available on a network to have any function at all.
    - thw_9a83c 1y ago
      > How exactly can you run GitHub or Slack locally? I meant locally as a company.
      - marcellus23 1y ago
        How does that solve the downtime issue? In my experience company-run instances tend to go down just as often, if not more often.
        thw_9a83c 1y ago
        The experience may differ from company to company, but I was talking about the backup system.
    - zahlman 1y ago
      > or have similar emergency backup tools ready to run locally Developers used to share code through version control before there were websites to serve the "upstream", and they used to communicate without bespoke messenger apps. Their former ways of doing so still work just fine.
catigula 1y ago
>in the future >programmers Don't Look Up
- ActionHank 1y ago
  There are still people who dictate their emails to a secretary. Technology changes, people often don't. Programmers will be around for a longer time than anyone realises because most people don't understand how the magic box works let alone the arcane magics that run on it.
  - some_random 1y ago
    Sure and there are still people who take a horse and buggy into town, but we are well past Peak Horse.
    - ActionHank 1y ago
      A closer analogy would be scribes and the printing press. Except it doesn’t fit. For a while now we’ve had access to basically all the knowledge in the world and most people don’t use it. Why would people make the effort to build a website using AI when they didn’t do so with any of the existing no-code options available. They won’t. Will dev be exactly the same in 10 years time? No. Will there be more devs than there are now? 100% Will experienced devs make bank? Yes.
  - catigula 1y ago
    "We can remove your programmers valued at millions per month for $100/month secure cloud agents" Pretty easy sell.
    - ActionHank 1y ago
      Crazy how well that’s been working
      - catigula 1y ago
bongodongobob 1y ago
This joke is as old as typewriters.

by joz1-k 1y ago

corentin88 1y ago

Same as GitHub or Slack downtimes severely impact productivity.

thw_9a83c 1y ago
I would argue that dependency on GitHub and Slack is not the same as dependency on AI coding agents. GitHub/Slack are just straightforward tools. You can run them locally or have similar emergency backup tools ready to run locally. But depending on AI agents is like relying on external brains that have knowledge you suddenly don't have if they disappear. Moreover, how many companies could afford to run these models locally? Some of those models aren't even open.
- danielbln 1y ago
  There are plenty of open weight agentic coding models out there. Small ones you can run on a Macbook, big heavy ones you can run on some rented cloud instance. Also, if Anthropic is down, there is still Google, OpenAI, Mistral, Deepseek and so on. This seems like not much of an issue, honestly.
  - thw_9a83c 1y ago
    The small ones that you can run on a MacBook are quite useless for programming. Once you have access to a state-of-the-art model, it's difficult to accept any downgrade. That's why I think AI-driven programming will always rely on data centers and the best models. > if Anthropic is down, there is still Google, OpenAI, Mistral, Deepseek and so on No company is going to pay for subscriptions to all of them. Either way, we'll see a new layer of fragility caused by overdependence on AI. Surely, though, we will adapt by learning from every major event related to this.
    - danielbln 1y ago
      > The small ones that you can run on a MacBook are quite useless for programming. That really depends on your Macbook :). If you throw enough RAM at it, something like a qwen3-coder will be pretty good. It won't stack up to Claude, or Gemini or GPT, of course, but it's certainly better than nothing and better than useless. > No company is going to pay for subscriptions to all of them. They don't have to, every lab offers API based pricing. If Anthropic is down, I can hop straight into Codex and use GPT-5 via API, or Gemini via Vertex, or just hop onto AWS Bedrock and continue to use Claude etc. I don't think this is an issue in practice, honestly.
  - bongodongobob 1y ago
    They exist, but you can't do serious work with them.
- marcellus23 1y ago
  How exactly can you run GitHub or Slack locally? Their entire purpose is being a place where people can communicate, they need to be centrally available on a network to have any function at all.
  - thw_9a83c 1y ago
    > How exactly can you run GitHub or Slack locally? I meant locally as a company.
    - marcellus23 1y ago
      How does that solve the downtime issue? In my experience company-run instances tend to go down just as often, if not more often.
      - thw_9a83c 1y ago
        The experience may differ from company to company, but I was talking about the backup system.
  - zahlman 1y ago
    > or have similar emergency backup tools ready to run locally Developers used to share code through version control before there were websites to serve the "upstream", and they used to communicate without bespoke messenger apps. Their former ways of doing so still work just fine.

catigula 1y ago

>in the future >programmers Don't Look Up

ActionHank 1y ago
There are still people who dictate their emails to a secretary. Technology changes, people often don't. Programmers will be around for a longer time than anyone realises because most people don't understand how the magic box works let alone the arcane magics that run on it.
- some_random 1y ago
  Sure and there are still people who take a horse and buggy into town, but we are well past Peak Horse.
  - ActionHank 1y ago
    A closer analogy would be scribes and the printing press. Except it doesn’t fit. For a while now we’ve had access to basically all the knowledge in the world and most people don’t use it. Why would people make the effort to build a website using AI when they didn’t do so with any of the existing no-code options available. They won’t. Will dev be exactly the same in 10 years time? No. Will there be more devs than there are now? 100% Will experienced devs make bank? Yes.
- catigula 1y ago
  "We can remove your programmers valued at millions per month for $100/month secure cloud agents" Pretty easy sell.
  - ActionHank 1y ago
    Crazy how well that’s been working
    - catigula 1y ago

bongodongobob 1y ago

This joke is as old as typewriters.