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I don't think there are humans involved. I've now seen countless PRs to some repos I maintain that claim to be fixing non-existent bugs, or just fixing typos. O

I don't think there are humans involved. I've now seen countless PRs to some repos I maintain that claim to be fixing non-existent bugs, or just fixing typos. One that I got recently didn't even correctly balanced the parenthesis in the code, ugh. I call this technique: "sprAI and prAI".

henrebotha 1y ago
Hey don't hate on us humans who genuinely do open random PRs to random projects to fix typos. https://github.com/pulls?q=is%3Apr+author%3Ahenrebotha+archived%3Afalse+grammar+OR+spelling+OR+language https://github.com/pulls?q=is%3Apr+author%3Ahenrebotha+archi...
- Dilettante_ 1y ago
  Thank you for your service o7
- treesknees 1y ago
  I’d love to know what your genuine motivation is. Is it a desire to genuinely improve projects? Because I’ve always had the impression that people who do this just want to boost their PR counts and GitHub activity numbers.
  - LandR 1y ago
    There's been a couple of projects with typos, that I wanted to fix but didn't for exactly the reason above! Didn't want to be seen as just padding my github.
    - boothby 1y ago
      This makes me a bit sad. Over the years I've posted PRs to several, but not many, repos with a one-off fix, issue or improvement. It's a great opportunity to say hello and thanks to the maintainers.
    - somehnguy 1y ago
      I opened a 1 letter typo fix for NextJS not that long ago and had the same thought run through my mind beforehand. I (obviously) decided to just do it anyway and let people think what they want, who cares. I know my intention was simply fixing a typo I stumbled on while reading the docs..and the effort level is so low to open a PR to fix it
  - krageon 1y ago
    I used to do this when I had more free time and I did it because I just enjoy doing it. When I write it down like this I realise it sounds kind of obvious, but here we are
  - basscomm 1y ago
    Not everyone is a developer. Finding and fixing typos benefits everyone and allows nontechnical people to participate in the projects to improve the software they use, even if they can't contribute code.
  - henrebotha 1y ago
    Genuinely, I am trying to improve things. Making documentation more readable has a real cascading positive effect. Of course, most of these PRs are tiny — just a word or two — but that means it takes me almost no time to submit them, so the ROI is still positive. One of the most enraging things to me is when a text search of documentation fails because the word I'm searching for has been misspelled in a key place. That's one of the things I'm trying to solve for. I'm also just a stickler for good style. It bums me out when people misuse heading levels. Heading level is not a font size markup! Of course doing this does generate activity on my GH, but I think all of us have probably moved on from caring much about the optics of little green squares. Also like someone else said, it's just fun. I like typing and making Git do a thing and using my nice keyboard.
    - jkubicek 1y ago
      > I'm also just a stickler for good style. It bums me out when people misuse heading levels. Heading level is not a font size markup! I want to start a company with you and mandate all documents use appropriate styles.
    - saratogacx 1y ago
      One of the things I've done that has helped with my writing consistency is to use whatever version of "project" or "library" your LLM of choice has and pre-load it with a technical writing guide (I used the Red Hat Technical Style Guide[1]) and push my docs through that to identify improvements. It has been a great way to keep my own writing consistent and remove randomness from just having my own writing improvement prompt. 1 https://stylepedia.net/style/ https://stylepedia.net/style/
  - jbd0 1y ago
    > PR counts and GitHub activity numbers. This used to mean something, but I don't think it does anymore.
    - seattle_spring 1y ago
      I still see a disturbing amount of people claim it does matter a whole lot to them on LinkedIn. Hell, Sam Altman himself made a big deal about someone he knows "committing 100k lines of code per day with AI," as if that code was anything other than complete garbage.
  - cgh 1y ago
    I once submitted a typo fix, among other things, to XFree86 way back when. Talk about love of the game, good grief.
ChipopLeMoral 1y ago
You're absolutely right! There are no humans involved and I apologize for that! Let me try that again and involve some humans this time, as well as correctly balancing the the parentheses. I understand your frustration and apologize for it, I am still learning as a model!
cornholio 1y ago
We will quickly evolve a social contract that AI are not allowed to directly contact humans and waste their time with input that was not reviewed by other humans, and any transgression should by swiftly penalized. It's essentially spam, automatically generated content that is profitable in large volume because it offsets the real cost to the victims, by wasting their limited attention span. If you wantme to read your text, you should have the common courtesy to at least put in a similar work beforehand and read it yourself at least once.
- unwind 1y ago
  Uh that sounds awesome, but if humanity worked like that then things like actual spam e-mail and "robo-calls" would not exist, right? But they do, and they have done for a while. Sorry for maybe sounding cynical, but I have a really hard time believing in your prognosis.
  - cornholio 1y ago
    Well, sure they exist, stealing and murder still exists too despite our best efforts to eliminate them. The point is that they are on the fringes of our society, I get maybe one spam email every few days or so and seldom bother to review the thousands trapped in the Spam folder. Robocalling never took of in my country either, and none of these scummy industries is receiving trillions of speculative investment like AI does. Social norms work, even imperfect as is their nature.
- vintermann 1y ago
  When you put it like that, what AI does in cases like this, is enable us all to treat each other like e.g. Google and Facebook (and any sufficiently big corporate-bureaucratic entity) has treated us for a long time. We have reviewed your claims and found that [the account impersonating your grandma] has not violated our guidelines.
  - eigencoder 1y ago
    I hate this, my mom's account got hacked and now someone is controlling it for who knows what purpose. She had to make a new account and lost all her photos, old posts, messages, etc. Facebook was completely unhelpful
0x457 1y ago
I think there are humans that watch "how to get rich with chatgpt and hackerone" videos (replace chatgpt and hackerone with whatever affiliate youtuber uses). It's MLM in tech.

henrebotha 1y ago

Hey don't hate on us humans who genuinely do open random PRs to random projects to fix typos. https://github.com/pulls?q=is%3Apr+author%3Ahenrebotha+archived%3Afalse+grammar+OR+spelling+OR+language https://github.com/pulls?q=is%3Apr+author%3Ahenrebotha+archi...

Dilettante_ 1y ago
Thank you for your service o7
treesknees 1y ago
I’d love to know what your genuine motivation is. Is it a desire to genuinely improve projects? Because I’ve always had the impression that people who do this just want to boost their PR counts and GitHub activity numbers.
- LandR 1y ago
  There's been a couple of projects with typos, that I wanted to fix but didn't for exactly the reason above! Didn't want to be seen as just padding my github.
  - boothby 1y ago
    This makes me a bit sad. Over the years I've posted PRs to several, but not many, repos with a one-off fix, issue or improvement. It's a great opportunity to say hello and thanks to the maintainers.
  - somehnguy 1y ago
    I opened a 1 letter typo fix for NextJS not that long ago and had the same thought run through my mind beforehand. I (obviously) decided to just do it anyway and let people think what they want, who cares. I know my intention was simply fixing a typo I stumbled on while reading the docs..and the effort level is so low to open a PR to fix it
- krageon 1y ago
  I used to do this when I had more free time and I did it because I just enjoy doing it. When I write it down like this I realise it sounds kind of obvious, but here we are
- basscomm 1y ago
  Not everyone is a developer. Finding and fixing typos benefits everyone and allows nontechnical people to participate in the projects to improve the software they use, even if they can't contribute code.
- henrebotha 1y ago
  Genuinely, I am trying to improve things. Making documentation more readable has a real cascading positive effect. Of course, most of these PRs are tiny — just a word or two — but that means it takes me almost no time to submit them, so the ROI is still positive. One of the most enraging things to me is when a text search of documentation fails because the word I'm searching for has been misspelled in a key place. That's one of the things I'm trying to solve for. I'm also just a stickler for good style. It bums me out when people misuse heading levels. Heading level is not a font size markup! Of course doing this does generate activity on my GH, but I think all of us have probably moved on from caring much about the optics of little green squares. Also like someone else said, it's just fun. I like typing and making Git do a thing and using my nice keyboard.
  - jkubicek 1y ago
    > I'm also just a stickler for good style. It bums me out when people misuse heading levels. Heading level is not a font size markup! I want to start a company with you and mandate all documents use appropriate styles.
  - saratogacx 1y ago
    One of the things I've done that has helped with my writing consistency is to use whatever version of "project" or "library" your LLM of choice has and pre-load it with a technical writing guide (I used the Red Hat Technical Style Guide[1]) and push my docs through that to identify improvements. It has been a great way to keep my own writing consistent and remove randomness from just having my own writing improvement prompt. 1 https://stylepedia.net/style/ https://stylepedia.net/style/
- jbd0 1y ago
  > PR counts and GitHub activity numbers. This used to mean something, but I don't think it does anymore.
  - seattle_spring 1y ago
    I still see a disturbing amount of people claim it does matter a whole lot to them on LinkedIn. Hell, Sam Altman himself made a big deal about someone he knows "committing 100k lines of code per day with AI," as if that code was anything other than complete garbage.
- cgh 1y ago
  I once submitted a typo fix, among other things, to XFree86 way back when. Talk about love of the game, good grief.

ChipopLeMoral 1y ago

You're absolutely right! There are no humans involved and I apologize for that! Let me try that again and involve some humans this time, as well as correctly balancing the the parentheses. I understand your frustration and apologize for it, I am still learning as a model!

cornholio 1y ago

We will quickly evolve a social contract that AI are not allowed to directly contact humans and waste their time with input that was not reviewed by other humans, and any transgression should by swiftly penalized. It's essentially spam, automatically generated content that is profitable in large volume because it offsets the real cost to the victims, by wasting their limited attention span. If you wantme to read your text, you should have the common courtesy to at least put in a similar work beforehand and read it yourself at least once.

unwind 1y ago
Uh that sounds awesome, but if humanity worked like that then things like actual spam e-mail and "robo-calls" would not exist, right? But they do, and they have done for a while. Sorry for maybe sounding cynical, but I have a really hard time believing in your prognosis.
- cornholio 1y ago
  Well, sure they exist, stealing and murder still exists too despite our best efforts to eliminate them. The point is that they are on the fringes of our society, I get maybe one spam email every few days or so and seldom bother to review the thousands trapped in the Spam folder. Robocalling never took of in my country either, and none of these scummy industries is receiving trillions of speculative investment like AI does. Social norms work, even imperfect as is their nature.
vintermann 1y ago
When you put it like that, what AI does in cases like this, is enable us all to treat each other like e.g. Google and Facebook (and any sufficiently big corporate-bureaucratic entity) has treated us for a long time. We have reviewed your claims and found that [the account impersonating your grandma] has not violated our guidelines.
- eigencoder 1y ago
  I hate this, my mom's account got hacked and now someone is controlling it for who knows what purpose. She had to make a new account and lost all her photos, old posts, messages, etc. Facebook was completely unhelpful

0x457 1y ago

I think there are humans that watch "how to get rich with chatgpt and hackerone" videos (replace chatgpt and hackerone with whatever affiliate youtuber uses). It's MLM in tech.