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>> but they seem hellbent on 3 as per how Israeli people post here on HN and the actions of their democratically elected government. Considering how many times

>> but they seem hellbent on 3 as per how Israeli people post here on HN and the actions of their democratically elected government. Considering how many times Arabs started and lost wars against Israel, how many atrocities they did to Israel people it's not a surprise your #2 is not a popular option there. Need to mention nothing can justify current levels of destruction in Gaza.

Aeolun 1y ago
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- bigyabai 1y ago
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- FridayoLeary 1y ago
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  - ipaddr 1y ago
    10% of population has been killed or injured. They are in 1940 not 1944/45.
  - RichardCA 1y ago
    If you don't like the word Genocide you can call it Demographic Engineering, but the fact that it is happening is beyond debate. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c15npnzpd08o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c15npnzpd08o
- _DeadFred_ 1y ago
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  - woooooo 1y ago
    Having some difficulty establishing food infrastructure after WW2, in a situation where the whole continent is ravaged, is totally different from deliberately destroying an existing and working aid system.
    - _DeadFred_ 1y ago
      The US didn't ALLOW aid in for starving children until mid 1946. The US ORDERED extra food be destroyed. The US intentionally used food rations as a political tool to shape/punish/reward/control the occupied population. That isn't having difficulty getting food in due to conflict. A working pre-war aid system is going to be different during an ACTIVE war that the aided peoples initiated, especially when the aid came via the people that they started the war with. In addition resources have been forced to be diverted by the war that Gaza's government started as that was takes up a lot of resources/funds that were previously available for other things during the prior peacetime. Normally a government plans for food supply issues prior to starting a war with their neighbors. Especially when all food comes through said neighbor.
      - woooooo 1y ago
        From your wiki link, the US Army forbade sharing rations and this led to incidents like destroying 20 lbs of cocoa at a time. By early 1946 foreign aid organizations were let in. They weren't bulldozing entire cities a year after the Nazi government collapsed. It's totally incomparable to the hate and viciousness we see from the Israelis.
        tguvot 1y ago
        hamas still alive, shooting rockets at Israel and it's leadership is secure in the qatar/turkey. unlike nazi government that surrendered. this is after 80% of berlin was destroyed and hitler committed suicide
        woooooo 1y ago
        There were dead-ender Nazi partisans in Germany, too. The USA actually occupied/governed in good faith instead of just slaughtering civilians randomly. What's the plan here? Kill 10% and the rest will start liking Israel?
  - Aeolun 1y ago
    > In the context of war, what Israel is doing is not outside the norm. "More children have died in three weeks in Gaza than in the entire sum of conflicts around the world in the past four years." — Save the Children, October 2023
    - egisspegis 1y ago
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      - ceejayoz 1y ago
        The statement appears to be entirely accurate. https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/least-10-children-killed-less-week-deadly-attacks-continue-myanmar https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/least-10-children-kill... > In 2024 alone, at least 600 children have been killed or injured in Myanmar. https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/geneva-palais-briefing-note-horrifying-numbers-children-killed-injured-sudan https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/geneva-palais-briefing... > As feared and as warned, the situation in Sudan has become fatal for a frighteningly large number of children. In reports UNICEF has received that cover the period from the start of the fighting until 25 April 2023, 190 children have been killed. https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/unimaginable-horrors-more-50000-children-reportedly-killed-or-injured-gaza-strip https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/unimaginable-horrors-m... > In total, more than 50,000 children have reportedly been killed or injured since October 2023.
        egisspegis 1y ago
        Mariupol.
        ceejayoz 1y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Mariupol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Mariupol > Ukrainian officials reported that approximately 25,000 civilians had been killed… Even if every one of those 25k were kids, still no. The actual report "Save the Children" cites is available at https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/4084012?ln=en&v=pdf https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/4084012?ln=en&v=pdf - page three of the English report states: > The violations verified in the greatest numbers were the killing (4,676) and maiming (7,291) of 11,967 children, the denial of humanitarian access (7,906 incidents), the recruitment and use of children (7,402) and the abduction of children (4,573). The number of children detained for actual or alleged association with armed groups including those which are currently under sanctions enacted by the Security Council, or for national security reasons, surged to 3,018, further depriving children of their rights. The highest numbers of grave violations were verified in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory (8,554), the Democratic Republic of the Congo (4,043), Somalia (2,568), Nigeria (2,436) and Haiti (2,269). The sharpest percentage increases in the number of violations were verified in Lebanon (545%), Mozambique (525%), Haiti (490%), Ethiopia (235%) and Ukraine (105%). (A preemptive note: These are verified cases; so the real numbers will be higher. In both conflicts, verifying every or even most cases is… tough.) https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/average-least-16-children-killed-or-injured-ukraine-every-week-escalation-war-nears https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/average-least-16-child... > At least 2,406 children have been killed or injured since the escalation of the war in Ukraine nearly 1,000 days ago, according to the latest available verified reports.
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Aeolun 1y ago

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bigyabai 1y ago
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FridayoLeary 1y ago
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- ipaddr 1y ago
  10% of population has been killed or injured. They are in 1940 not 1944/45.
- RichardCA 1y ago
  If you don't like the word Genocide you can call it Demographic Engineering, but the fact that it is happening is beyond debate. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c15npnzpd08o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c15npnzpd08o
_DeadFred_ 1y ago
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- woooooo 1y ago
  Having some difficulty establishing food infrastructure after WW2, in a situation where the whole continent is ravaged, is totally different from deliberately destroying an existing and working aid system.
  - _DeadFred_ 1y ago
    The US didn't ALLOW aid in for starving children until mid 1946. The US ORDERED extra food be destroyed. The US intentionally used food rations as a political tool to shape/punish/reward/control the occupied population. That isn't having difficulty getting food in due to conflict. A working pre-war aid system is going to be different during an ACTIVE war that the aided peoples initiated, especially when the aid came via the people that they started the war with. In addition resources have been forced to be diverted by the war that Gaza's government started as that was takes up a lot of resources/funds that were previously available for other things during the prior peacetime. Normally a government plans for food supply issues prior to starting a war with their neighbors. Especially when all food comes through said neighbor.
    - woooooo 1y ago
      From your wiki link, the US Army forbade sharing rations and this led to incidents like destroying 20 lbs of cocoa at a time. By early 1946 foreign aid organizations were let in. They weren't bulldozing entire cities a year after the Nazi government collapsed. It's totally incomparable to the hate and viciousness we see from the Israelis.
      - tguvot 1y ago
        hamas still alive, shooting rockets at Israel and it's leadership is secure in the qatar/turkey. unlike nazi government that surrendered. this is after 80% of berlin was destroyed and hitler committed suicide
        woooooo 1y ago
        There were dead-ender Nazi partisans in Germany, too. The USA actually occupied/governed in good faith instead of just slaughtering civilians randomly. What's the plan here? Kill 10% and the rest will start liking Israel?
- Aeolun 1y ago
  > In the context of war, what Israel is doing is not outside the norm. "More children have died in three weeks in Gaza than in the entire sum of conflicts around the world in the past four years." — Save the Children, October 2023
  - egisspegis 1y ago
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    - ceejayoz 1y ago
      The statement appears to be entirely accurate. https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/least-10-children-killed-less-week-deadly-attacks-continue-myanmar https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/least-10-children-kill... > In 2024 alone, at least 600 children have been killed or injured in Myanmar. https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/geneva-palais-briefing-note-horrifying-numbers-children-killed-injured-sudan https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/geneva-palais-briefing... > As feared and as warned, the situation in Sudan has become fatal for a frighteningly large number of children. In reports UNICEF has received that cover the period from the start of the fighting until 25 April 2023, 190 children have been killed. https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/unimaginable-horrors-more-50000-children-reportedly-killed-or-injured-gaza-strip https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/unimaginable-horrors-m... > In total, more than 50,000 children have reportedly been killed or injured since October 2023.
      - egisspegis 1y ago
        Mariupol.
        ceejayoz 1y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Mariupol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Mariupol > Ukrainian officials reported that approximately 25,000 civilians had been killed… Even if every one of those 25k were kids, still no. The actual report "Save the Children" cites is available at https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/4084012?ln=en&v=pdf https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/4084012?ln=en&v=pdf - page three of the English report states: > The violations verified in the greatest numbers were the killing (4,676) and maiming (7,291) of 11,967 children, the denial of humanitarian access (7,906 incidents), the recruitment and use of children (7,402) and the abduction of children (4,573). The number of children detained for actual or alleged association with armed groups including those which are currently under sanctions enacted by the Security Council, or for national security reasons, surged to 3,018, further depriving children of their rights. The highest numbers of grave violations were verified in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory (8,554), the Democratic Republic of the Congo (4,043), Somalia (2,568), Nigeria (2,436) and Haiti (2,269). The sharpest percentage increases in the number of violations were verified in Lebanon (545%), Mozambique (525%), Haiti (490%), Ethiopia (235%) and Ukraine (105%). (A preemptive note: These are verified cases; so the real numbers will be higher. In both conflicts, verifying every or even most cases is… tough.) https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/average-least-16-children-killed-or-injured-ukraine-every-week-escalation-war-nears https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/average-least-16-child... > At least 2,406 children have been killed or injured since the escalation of the war in Ukraine nearly 1,000 days ago, according to the latest available verified reports.
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