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Trump administration set to tie Tylenol to autism risk, officials say

22 points by almog 1y ago

3eb7988a1663 1y ago
Identified the cause and a drug product which can treat it? Surely nobody was front-running these announcements.
- p_ing 1y ago
  > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folinic_acid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folinic_acid > used to decrease the toxic effects of methotrexate and pyrimethamine > Pyrimethamine [...] is a medication used with leucovorin (leucovorin is used to decrease side effects of pyrimethamine; it does not have intrinsic anti-parasitic activity) to treat the parasitic diseases toxoplasmosis and cystoisosporiasis OH ffs! Brain worms again?! These people are very unserious people in serious positions of power.
al_borland 1y ago
How convenient, a drug the entire population has taken is the cause, and they are ready and waiting with a cure to sell. I’m highly skeptical of all of this.
- drankl 1y ago
  It's most likely based on the findings discussed here: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41574-021-00553-7 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41574-021-00553-7
leakycap 1y ago
As we've learned, it matters less if you're correct than if you're first and loud.
FrankWilhoit 1y ago
J&J "sold" Tylenol, and its long tail of liability, to a spinoff entity that now does not have enough cash to buy Trump off. It will probably simply disappear; the doctors will not go to bat for it.
dtagames 1y ago
Johnson & Johnson is not a friendly medicine company. They have a long history of causing and suppressing information about harms in their products. It's quite likely that they were responsible for the Tylenol contamination scare decades ago.[0] Aside from that, acetaminophen had always been a dangerous drug to hand out willy-nilly. It's a major cause of overdose poisoning and is known to damage the liver. How was it ever approved in the first place? I'd say the same way as J&J's other products. It made up half their profit for most of its product life. [0] https://www.amazon.com/No-More-Tears-Secrets-Johnson/dp/059322986X https://www.amazon.com/No-More-Tears-Secrets-Johnson/dp/0593...
- DoctorOetker 1y ago
  I thought this would be Trumps bleach and cillit bang kind of stuff, but the following is some very convincing evidence (assuming its not fabricated). https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/2753512 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/...
bookofjoe 1y ago
https://archive.ph/1pCvW https://archive.ph/1pCvW
Smeevy 1y ago
I eagerly await more AI slop that references studies that have never existed. Or, as this administration calls it, "science."
bediger4000 1y ago
Macro-economics, military science, cryptocurrency, and now medical science! Is there nothing that Trump can't do, and do well? Think about the outcry that would have happened if Obama or Biden had made a medical announcement like this. The congressional hearings, editorials, and news analysis would have been deafening. Truth to tell, that would have happened even for G.W. Bush. But if Trump makes a decision, there's a little factual reporting, there's no wasteful court cases, no hearings, no media outcry. Relaxing and efficient!
GuestFAUniverse 1y ago
I _still_ don't get the fixation on autism. Is that even in a rational top 10 of any category of problems? Let alone "health"?
- dialup_sounds 1y ago
  Moral panic among Boomer grandparents in reaction to escalating prevalence took root in conservative echo chambers. The escalating prevalence is worthy of study, but yeah, there's a social/political fixation.
ben_w 1y ago
I'm reminded of the ending of Terry Pratchett's Monstrous Regiment, where a nation's god is revealed to have died, and 'his' recently announced additions to the list of banned things (rocks, ears and accordion players) was produced only by the collective anxiety of that god's remaining worshippers.
duxup 1y ago
Government via tick tok viral health advice. Doctors hate it! (and they should...)
- billy99k 1y ago
  [flagged]
  - duxup 1y ago
    I think you should trust the advice based on science.
  - phs318u 1y ago
    > many of the early covid vaccine shots caused blood clots and killed people No. “Many” is the absolute wrong qualifier here. By mid 2024, over 13 billion doses of vaccine had been administered. I don’t know what number of people died of blood clots as a result, but I am very sure that it’s not “many”. I’d hazard a guess that the number may not even be “statistically significant” (though that sounds really cold and harsh).
    - duxup 1y ago
      I remember when my wife was pregnant, she was talking about vaccines and how she had patients coming in and mentioning how many women had miscarriages after a vaccine. The number was a big scary number… but actually no different than just the regular miscarriage rate.
    - zimpenfish 1y ago
      [0] has 5718 deaths from 324m vaccine doses (0.002%). [1] has "around 10.5 per million first doses administered" (0.001%). [2] has "out of more than 18 million people who got J&J, 60 cases of TTS were reported" (0.0003%). These numbers are likely underreported but even if you bump them by 2 orders of magnitude, they are still extremely small percentages. [0] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10423859/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10423859/ [1] https://www.publichealth.hscni.net/sites/default/files/2021-07/COVID-19_V4_AZ_factsheet_9pp_A4_11_07_21_final.pdf https://www.publichealth.hscni.net/sites/default/files/2021-... [2] https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/coronavirus-vaccine-blood-clots https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/coronavirus-vaccine-blood-...
taylodl 1y ago
Given Trump's horrid track record with Covid treatment advice, which has been linked to thousands of deaths, why would anyone listen to this man regarding any medical advice?
- deleted 1y ago
  [deleted]
- fifilura 1y ago
  Are you asking why? Because he is the president.
herbst 1y ago
Why exactly does the president of the USA announce scientific stuff?
- jenkinomics 1y ago
  Scientific?
  - herbst 1y ago
    Is it one of his fever dreams? I don't know. The whole situation is weird in all angles

22 points by almog 1y ago

3eb7988a1663 1y ago

Identified the cause and a drug product which can treat it? Surely nobody was front-running these announcements.

p_ing 1y ago
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folinic_acid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folinic_acid > used to decrease the toxic effects of methotrexate and pyrimethamine > Pyrimethamine [...] is a medication used with leucovorin (leucovorin is used to decrease side effects of pyrimethamine; it does not have intrinsic anti-parasitic activity) to treat the parasitic diseases toxoplasmosis and cystoisosporiasis OH ffs! Brain worms again?! These people are very unserious people in serious positions of power.

al_borland 1y ago

How convenient, a drug the entire population has taken is the cause, and they are ready and waiting with a cure to sell. I’m highly skeptical of all of this.

drankl 1y ago
It's most likely based on the findings discussed here: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41574-021-00553-7 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41574-021-00553-7

leakycap 1y ago

As we've learned, it matters less if you're correct than if you're first and loud.

FrankWilhoit 1y ago

J&J "sold" Tylenol, and its long tail of liability, to a spinoff entity that now does not have enough cash to buy Trump off. It will probably simply disappear; the doctors will not go to bat for it.

dtagames 1y ago

Johnson & Johnson is not a friendly medicine company. They have a long history of causing and suppressing information about harms in their products. It's quite likely that they were responsible for the Tylenol contamination scare decades ago.[0] Aside from that, acetaminophen had always been a dangerous drug to hand out willy-nilly. It's a major cause of overdose poisoning and is known to damage the liver. How was it ever approved in the first place? I'd say the same way as J&J's other products. It made up half their profit for most of its product life. [0] https://www.amazon.com/No-More-Tears-Secrets-Johnson/dp/059322986X https://www.amazon.com/No-More-Tears-Secrets-Johnson/dp/0593...

DoctorOetker 1y ago
I thought this would be Trumps bleach and cillit bang kind of stuff, but the following is some very convincing evidence (assuming its not fabricated). https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/2753512 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/...

bookofjoe 1y ago

https://archive.ph/1pCvW https://archive.ph/1pCvW

Smeevy 1y ago

I eagerly await more AI slop that references studies that have never existed. Or, as this administration calls it, "science."

bediger4000 1y ago

Macro-economics, military science, cryptocurrency, and now medical science! Is there nothing that Trump can't do, and do well? Think about the outcry that would have happened if Obama or Biden had made a medical announcement like this. The congressional hearings, editorials, and news analysis would have been deafening. Truth to tell, that would have happened even for G.W. Bush. But if Trump makes a decision, there's a little factual reporting, there's no wasteful court cases, no hearings, no media outcry. Relaxing and efficient!

GuestFAUniverse 1y ago

I _still_ don't get the fixation on autism. Is that even in a rational top 10 of any category of problems? Let alone "health"?

dialup_sounds 1y ago
Moral panic among Boomer grandparents in reaction to escalating prevalence took root in conservative echo chambers. The escalating prevalence is worthy of study, but yeah, there's a social/political fixation.

ben_w 1y ago

I'm reminded of the ending of Terry Pratchett's Monstrous Regiment, where a nation's god is revealed to have died, and 'his' recently announced additions to the list of banned things (rocks, ears and accordion players) was produced only by the collective anxiety of that god's remaining worshippers.

duxup 1y ago

Government via tick tok viral health advice. Doctors hate it! (and they should...)

billy99k 1y ago
[flagged]
- duxup 1y ago
  I think you should trust the advice based on science.
- phs318u 1y ago
  > many of the early covid vaccine shots caused blood clots and killed people No. “Many” is the absolute wrong qualifier here. By mid 2024, over 13 billion doses of vaccine had been administered. I don’t know what number of people died of blood clots as a result, but I am very sure that it’s not “many”. I’d hazard a guess that the number may not even be “statistically significant” (though that sounds really cold and harsh).
  - duxup 1y ago
    I remember when my wife was pregnant, she was talking about vaccines and how she had patients coming in and mentioning how many women had miscarriages after a vaccine. The number was a big scary number… but actually no different than just the regular miscarriage rate.
  - zimpenfish 1y ago
    [0] has 5718 deaths from 324m vaccine doses (0.002%). [1] has "around 10.5 per million first doses administered" (0.001%). [2] has "out of more than 18 million people who got J&J, 60 cases of TTS were reported" (0.0003%). These numbers are likely underreported but even if you bump them by 2 orders of magnitude, they are still extremely small percentages. [0] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10423859/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10423859/ [1] https://www.publichealth.hscni.net/sites/default/files/2021-07/COVID-19_V4_AZ_factsheet_9pp_A4_11_07_21_final.pdf https://www.publichealth.hscni.net/sites/default/files/2021-... [2] https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/coronavirus-vaccine-blood-clots https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/coronavirus-vaccine-blood-...

taylodl 1y ago

Given Trump's horrid track record with Covid treatment advice, which has been linked to thousands of deaths, why would anyone listen to this man regarding any medical advice?

deleted 1y ago
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fifilura 1y ago
Are you asking why? Because he is the president.

herbst 1y ago

Why exactly does the president of the USA announce scientific stuff?

jenkinomics 1y ago
Scientific?
- herbst 1y ago
  Is it one of his fever dreams? I don't know. The whole situation is weird in all angles