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> From POV of Israelies they gave Palestinians (2) and got a genocide in returns. The one Israeli prime minister who was about to give the Palestinians (2) was

by g-b-r 1y ago

> From POV of Israelies they gave Palestinians (2) and got a genocide in returns. The one Israeli prime minister who was about to give the Palestinians (2) was killed by an Israeli > Looking at Palestinians behavior they only want (1) that it's basically genocide for all Jewish Israelies. I guess it more complicated than you think Wanting their land back does not imply wanting to exterminate its present occupants.

_DeadFred_ 1y ago
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tguvot 1y ago
Quoting the one Israeli prime minister who was killed: "Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin used the phrase "less than a state" to describe his vision for a Palestinian entity during negotiations. After Rabin was killed, there were offers that palestinians refused
- g-b-r 1y ago
  There were some you consider particularly generous? After the Netanyahu-backed Hamas take over of Gaza, there was little hope for discussions, of course
  - tguvot 1y ago
    actually, hamas took over gaza because of USA. Netanyahu had nothing to do with it. Small refresher on palestinian politics: - 2006 Elections were general elections in Palestinian Autonomy - Both Israel and PA were against elections because they were afraid that Hamas will win but USA forced it because "democracy shall prevail and will resolve everything" - Hamas won general elections in Palestinian Autonomy in 2006 and assembled government chaired by ismail haniyeh as prime minister - USA is shocked as "nobody saw it coming" - USA trained Fatah to coup against legitimate Palestinian government - Coup succeeded in west bank and failed in gaza in 2007 - During coup, Hamas killed, dragged behind bikes or threw from rooftops those that opposed it - After coup, Hamas tortured into obedience or killed all remaining opposition
    - spookie 1y ago
      > - USA trained Fatah to coup against legitimate Palestinian government > > - Coup succeeded in west bank and failed in gaza in 2007 Adding more context here: - The training was also provided by Egypt, and Israel Now, let's go back a few years and tackle what happened before all that. Hamas did not recognize Israel under the Oslo accords, effectively saying if they were in power, the work done towards the accords would be in vain. What was the accord about? - "The internationally drafted road map calls for an end to Israeli-Palestinian violence, a freeze in Israeli settlement activity, and the creation of a Palestinian state."
      - tguvot 1y ago
        israel allowed training. israel didn't train presidential guard. it would have been major scandal in Israel if something like this happened. quoting wiki . At that point, the U.S. began to provide training in urban anti-terrorist techniques to members of the Presidential Guard, with the goal of strengthening Abbas's security forces. Egypt, Jordan, and Turkey also began to provide similar training for the Fatah forces, and Britain, Spain, and the European Union began to provide communications equipment, vehicles, and logistical support. i am not even sure what exactly your second part of message meaning. unlike what OP said netanyahu wasn't PM at this timeframe. Ehud Olmert was, and he engaged in negotiations through his term till he resigned in 2008
        spookie 1y ago
        The second part highlights the fear around Hamas winning the election. Having done so, the success of the accord was no longer in the hands of both Palestine and Israel. The accord would fail, given Hamas would be in power and showed no interest in following it and violence would prevail. Apologies for being unclear in the first part, not the intention. Just wanted to point out Egypt was also involved, not just the US. The addition of Israel was for what you said, and there to try and be as neutral as possible (albeit I should have chosen my language better).
        tguvot 1y ago
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tguvot 1y ago

Quoting the one Israeli prime minister who was killed: "Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin used the phrase "less than a state" to describe his vision for a Palestinian entity during negotiations. After Rabin was killed, there were offers that palestinians refused

g-b-r 1y ago
There were some you consider particularly generous? After the Netanyahu-backed Hamas take over of Gaza, there was little hope for discussions, of course
- tguvot 1y ago
  actually, hamas took over gaza because of USA. Netanyahu had nothing to do with it. Small refresher on palestinian politics: - 2006 Elections were general elections in Palestinian Autonomy - Both Israel and PA were against elections because they were afraid that Hamas will win but USA forced it because "democracy shall prevail and will resolve everything" - Hamas won general elections in Palestinian Autonomy in 2006 and assembled government chaired by ismail haniyeh as prime minister - USA is shocked as "nobody saw it coming" - USA trained Fatah to coup against legitimate Palestinian government - Coup succeeded in west bank and failed in gaza in 2007 - During coup, Hamas killed, dragged behind bikes or threw from rooftops those that opposed it - After coup, Hamas tortured into obedience or killed all remaining opposition
  - spookie 1y ago
    > - USA trained Fatah to coup against legitimate Palestinian government > > - Coup succeeded in west bank and failed in gaza in 2007 Adding more context here: - The training was also provided by Egypt, and Israel Now, let's go back a few years and tackle what happened before all that. Hamas did not recognize Israel under the Oslo accords, effectively saying if they were in power, the work done towards the accords would be in vain. What was the accord about? - "The internationally drafted road map calls for an end to Israeli-Palestinian violence, a freeze in Israeli settlement activity, and the creation of a Palestinian state."
    - tguvot 1y ago
      israel allowed training. israel didn't train presidential guard. it would have been major scandal in Israel if something like this happened. quoting wiki . At that point, the U.S. began to provide training in urban anti-terrorist techniques to members of the Presidential Guard, with the goal of strengthening Abbas's security forces. Egypt, Jordan, and Turkey also began to provide similar training for the Fatah forces, and Britain, Spain, and the European Union began to provide communications equipment, vehicles, and logistical support. i am not even sure what exactly your second part of message meaning. unlike what OP said netanyahu wasn't PM at this timeframe. Ehud Olmert was, and he engaged in negotiations through his term till he resigned in 2008
      - spookie 1y ago
        The second part highlights the fear around Hamas winning the election. Having done so, the success of the accord was no longer in the hands of both Palestine and Israel. The accord would fail, given Hamas would be in power and showed no interest in following it and violence would prevail. Apologies for being unclear in the first part, not the intention. Just wanted to point out Egypt was also involved, not just the US. The addition of Israel was for what you said, and there to try and be as neutral as possible (albeit I should have chosen my language better).
        tguvot 1y ago

cooloo 1y ago

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