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That argument went out the door when the last administration chose to open the borders. We have laws against that. But they were ignored.

pinkmuffinere 1y ago
I agree that we should obey our laws. However, I don't think "they broke the rules, so I can too!" holds, and I feel it's obvious that it's wrong.
jjulius 1y ago
An eye for an eye make the whole world blind.
yibg 1y ago
The last administration did something you don't like, so this round let's be cruel to people that didn't have anything to do with it?
krapp 1y ago
The Biden administration didn't "open the borders." That isn't a thing that happened.
- suzdude 1y ago
  Yes, but that's the line some people repeat to themselves over and over to justify the political violence being used against the immigrant community in the United States these days. > "It's not our guy's fault for going after these people, it's your guy's fault for letting so many in" They are just rationalizing their hate.
throwaway7783 1y ago
I really would like to understand what did last administration do to open the doors. Didn't they actually deport historically high number of people?
- abeppu 1y ago
  I think technically, in terms of "removals" based on an immigration judge ordering it, Obama still has the record. For "repatriations" which includes "removals", "returns" (no order, can be voluntary), and Covid-19 health related "expulsions", Biden holds the record. I think data availability has been poor during the Trump administration, but from public numbers that I could find for spring of this year, it's not clear that even with all the raids the Trump administration is actually deporting more people than prior administrations ... but perhaps the goal is to keep more people in detention. https://ohss.dhs.gov/topics/immigration/immigration-enforcement/monthly-tables https://ohss.dhs.gov/topics/immigration/immigration-enforcem... https://ohss.dhs.gov/topics/immigration/yearbook/2019/table39#endnote-1 https://ohss.dhs.gov/topics/immigration/yearbook/2019/table3... https://usafacts.org/answers/how-many-people-were-deported-from-the-us/country/united-states/ https://usafacts.org/answers/how-many-people-were-deported-f...

pinkmuffinere 1y ago

I agree that we should obey our laws. However, I don't think "they broke the rules, so I can too!" holds, and I feel it's obvious that it's wrong.

jjulius 1y ago

An eye for an eye make the whole world blind.

yibg 1y ago

The last administration did something you don't like, so this round let's be cruel to people that didn't have anything to do with it?

krapp 1y ago

The Biden administration didn't "open the borders." That isn't a thing that happened.

suzdude 1y ago
Yes, but that's the line some people repeat to themselves over and over to justify the political violence being used against the immigrant community in the United States these days. > "It's not our guy's fault for going after these people, it's your guy's fault for letting so many in" They are just rationalizing their hate.

throwaway7783 1y ago

I really would like to understand what did last administration do to open the doors. Didn't they actually deport historically high number of people?

abeppu 1y ago
I think technically, in terms of "removals" based on an immigration judge ordering it, Obama still has the record. For "repatriations" which includes "removals", "returns" (no order, can be voluntary), and Covid-19 health related "expulsions", Biden holds the record. I think data availability has been poor during the Trump administration, but from public numbers that I could find for spring of this year, it's not clear that even with all the raids the Trump administration is actually deporting more people than prior administrations ... but perhaps the goal is to keep more people in detention. https://ohss.dhs.gov/topics/immigration/immigration-enforcement/monthly-tables https://ohss.dhs.gov/topics/immigration/immigration-enforcem... https://ohss.dhs.gov/topics/immigration/yearbook/2019/table39#endnote-1 https://ohss.dhs.gov/topics/immigration/yearbook/2019/table3... https://usafacts.org/answers/how-many-people-were-deported-from-the-us/country/united-states/ https://usafacts.org/answers/how-many-people-were-deported-f...