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>lands 25mins after the deadline I'd rather just have waited until an injunction or something next week. The guidance from my company is either make it back be

>lands 25mins after the deadline I'd rather just have waited until an injunction or something next week. The guidance from my company is either make it back before the deadline, or stay where you are until further notice.

decremental 1y ago
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nomel 1y ago
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- __MatrixMan__ 1y ago
  Companies have rights in the US, you can't just keep their employees out.
  - nomel 1y ago
    That's not generally true, of course. It requires they're legally employed, and have the proper work visas. I was confused. I thought the company was doing something shady, for it to matter, since it doesn't apply to current visa holders.
- mulligan 1y ago
  companies are contacting employees who are out of the US, for whatever reason
- zem 1y ago
  the whole US visa morass is complicated and volatile enough that a lot of large companies have dedicated teams who help advise their employees on visa issues and how to best navigate them. this "guidance" is basically saying "this is our lawyers' best guess as to how to stay safe over the next few weeks"
  - nomel 1y ago
    I was confused, because it does not apply to current Visa holders: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45316226 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45316226 I thought maybe the company was doing something shady, for it to apply to them.
    - zem 1y ago
      that was not at all certain yesterday, and even now there's the constant fact that a border agent can decide to be nasty and use this as a pretext to deny you entry, with no real recourse on your part. as a parallel example, trump recently decided that you could no longer get your visa stamped in a third country (which a lot of indians did as a matter of course, because wait times for an appointment can be very high back home). there was an explicit carve out for people who had already made appointments at some third country embassy, but a lot of those people went to their stamping appointment and not only did not get the renewal but had their existing visa cancelled (which is apparently within the powers of the embassy official), so they could not even return to the US while waiting for an appointment date in their country of residence, and are basically on unpaid leave right now (best case scenario, would not be too shocked if some of them lose their jobs if they are away for too long).
      - nomel 1y ago
        I don't understand your comment. My reply was today, in response to a comment that was posted less than an hour before mine, both hours after this was announced. How is yesterday relevant?
        zem 1y ago
        microsoft sent their letter out when it was highly likely the new diktat applied to existing visa holders too. they had very little time to respond if they wanted to make sure people got home before the absurdly short deadline.
marcosdumay 1y ago
"Further notice" can easily be a firing notice. I understand your position, but it's a bit of a privileged one. Not everybody will have that option.
- johnnyanmac 1y ago
  Rushing to the US and getting detained by border patrol in a foreign country isn't exactly a shinier alternative at this point. I'd take my risks with my job over my life in those shoes.
rbliss 1y ago
Universal injunctions were nerfed by the Supreme Court this year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_v._CASA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_v._CASA

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nomel 1y ago

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__MatrixMan__ 1y ago
Companies have rights in the US, you can't just keep their employees out.
- nomel 1y ago
  That's not generally true, of course. It requires they're legally employed, and have the proper work visas. I was confused. I thought the company was doing something shady, for it to matter, since it doesn't apply to current visa holders.
mulligan 1y ago
companies are contacting employees who are out of the US, for whatever reason
zem 1y ago
the whole US visa morass is complicated and volatile enough that a lot of large companies have dedicated teams who help advise their employees on visa issues and how to best navigate them. this "guidance" is basically saying "this is our lawyers' best guess as to how to stay safe over the next few weeks"
- nomel 1y ago
  I was confused, because it does not apply to current Visa holders: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45316226 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45316226 I thought maybe the company was doing something shady, for it to apply to them.
  - zem 1y ago
    that was not at all certain yesterday, and even now there's the constant fact that a border agent can decide to be nasty and use this as a pretext to deny you entry, with no real recourse on your part. as a parallel example, trump recently decided that you could no longer get your visa stamped in a third country (which a lot of indians did as a matter of course, because wait times for an appointment can be very high back home). there was an explicit carve out for people who had already made appointments at some third country embassy, but a lot of those people went to their stamping appointment and not only did not get the renewal but had their existing visa cancelled (which is apparently within the powers of the embassy official), so they could not even return to the US while waiting for an appointment date in their country of residence, and are basically on unpaid leave right now (best case scenario, would not be too shocked if some of them lose their jobs if they are away for too long).
    - nomel 1y ago
      I don't understand your comment. My reply was today, in response to a comment that was posted less than an hour before mine, both hours after this was announced. How is yesterday relevant?
      - zem 1y ago
        microsoft sent their letter out when it was highly likely the new diktat applied to existing visa holders too. they had very little time to respond if they wanted to make sure people got home before the absurdly short deadline.

marcosdumay 1y ago

"Further notice" can easily be a firing notice. I understand your position, but it's a bit of a privileged one. Not everybody will have that option.

johnnyanmac 1y ago
Rushing to the US and getting detained by border patrol in a foreign country isn't exactly a shinier alternative at this point. I'd take my risks with my job over my life in those shoes.

rbliss 1y ago

Universal injunctions were nerfed by the Supreme Court this year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_v._CASA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_v._CASA