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This is not what functioning bureaucracy in a functioning democracy looks like.
by Muromec 1y ago
This is not what functioning bureaucracy in a functioning democracy looks like.
- jacquesm 1y agoThe democracy stopped functioning a while ago, this is just the bills being presented.
- add-sub-mul-div 1y agoI don't think this is a bill, just part of a series of proclamations he sprays around to get tied up in courts and then revoked by the next adult in the office. Legislation takes serious time and work and discipline, but it can be lasting in a way this isn't. This is a failed marshmallow test.
- ben_w 1y agoI don't know @jacquesm's intent, but I read "bill" as in "invoice", not as in "proposed new law".
- add-sub-mul-div 1y agoOh, gotcha.
- jacquesm 1y agoYou got it just fine.
- plasticsoprano 1y agoBold of you to assume there will be a “next adult”.
- lotsofpulp 1y agoUnless you mean the electoral college overriding popular vote nonsense, and disproportionate Senate power, which was there since the beginning, I don't know what you mean. The voters apparently wanted more of this per the Nov 2024 elections, when we still had a credible election process.
- jonathanstrange 1y agoThere was evidence of voting machine fraud, though.
- cyanydeez 1y agoeven without fraud, republicans have gerry mandered enough states that they're silencing the public majority.
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- lotsofpulp 1y agoIn almost every single jurisdiction? That would be an impressive fraud to pull off. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/06/us/politics/presidential-election-2024-red-shift.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/06/us/politics/p... >More than 89 percent of counties in the United States shifted in favor of former President Donald J. Trump in the 2024 presidential election, according to a New York Times analysis of election results.
- jacquesm 1y agoNo, you don't need to do that in 'almost every single jurisdiction'. That's a strawman.
- lotsofpulp 1y agoIt would be quite the coincidence then for all the voting precincts to swing towards the same candidate as the fraud. I find it likelier that people’s preferences simply changed.
- jonathanstrange 1y agoPossible but a simple software update can also do the trick. That's just a fact and the reason why no one should trust a democracy based on voting machines. Experts have been warning against voting machines for decades.
- more_corn 1y agoYeah, earlier this year. Or so you mean that time he sent a mob to prevent certification of a fair election?
- rayiner 1y agoYou’re using the term “democracy” in an Orwellian way. The people voted for the guy who promised mass deportations. There were signs and everything. Multiple surveys have found that, if everyone had voted, he would have won by an even larger margin. https://www.npr.org/2025/06/26/nx-s1-5447450/trump-2024-election-non-voters-coalition https://www.npr.org/2025/06/26/nx-s1-5447450/trump-2024-elec... A non-functioning democracy would be if the people voted this way and mass deportations didn’t happen. Like how immigration went up in the UK after Brexit.
- AaronAPU 1y agoDemocracy is when my candidate wins and does things I want.
- brador 1y agoIt's Tyranny of the Majority - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority
- rayiner 1y agoThat describes a perceived problem with democracy that’s addressed through various anti-democratic institutions. That’s a fine position to have. But be candid that you’re arguing for anti-democratic institutions. It’s the same reasoning why, at the time of the founding, states restricted the franchise to property owners.
- jacquesm 1y ago[flagged]
- dira3 1y agoDemocracy isn't supposed to be two wolves and a sheep voting on who to eat for dinner. There are supposed to be checks and balances. One reason we are in the current situation is because we have discarded these checks and balances, allowing for the president to behave more like an autocratic monarch. If the other branches of government were performing their constitutional function, and if the executive observed the norms it's supposed to that's when you would have a democracy not just in letter but in spirit. (Ironically I myself am an immigrant and a naturalized citizen, yet I find I know more about American civics than most US-born.)
- MangoToupe 1y agoYea, this is reagan's party with the mask off
- Workaccount2 1y agoTrump is a populist. He is doing tons of populist things. This is another Bernie Sanders policy. Bernie is also a populist. The differences between them are mostly "two-sides of the same coin" https://www.sanders.senate.gov/op-eds/h1-b-visas-hurt-one-type-of-worker-and-exploit-another-this-mess-must-be-fixed/ https://www.sanders.senate.gov/op-eds/h1-b-visas-hurt-one-ty...
- whateveracct 1y ago"Return in 15hr or pay $100k" I didn't see that on Bernie's website.
- Workaccount2 1y agoTrump is an uncompassionate brute.
- MangoToupe 1y agoWhat a ridiculous and asinine comment
- mindslight 1y agoCold war Reagan who stood up to Russia/China, generally represented American interests, and led - regardless of many disagreeing with him politically? No, this is that party having gone insane from stewing in reactionary talk radio for decades in a cycle of getting angrier while being repeatedly suckered into supporting more specious policies that leave them worse off. The Republican party had been farming this hate in its talk radio cage, and only extracting its energy to support the status quo. Social media came along and opened the door to the cage, while Trump led it out with open arms. The spiral of harmful policy <-> more blind anger is now moving faster and faster. Notice how these policies are focused on making pain for the individual visa holders, not the companies employing them. This $100k/H1B thing was the very first bit I've seen from this Trump term that I thought sounded halfway reasonable. But then rather than an announcement ahead of time with a clear implementation date, allowances for current H1B residents to either find amenable companies or prepare to leave, etc - it's just pure immediate pain for the individuals. Including making them more indentured as I'm sure many employers will tell employees that they're not going to pay the $100k fee so their employment effectively ends if they leave the country for any reason. (and also at this point who doesn't expect the policy to be relaxed in 3-12 months for politically-favored bigcos?) It's just like the LG factory raid - attacking the individual workers in a show of performative cruelty, rather than focusing on the company. Trump has already been talking about creating programs to allow illegal labor to continue in "critical" industries such as landscaping, construction, farming, etc. Because when the rubber meets the road those are his own interests, even if his primary business has moved on to taking bribes in shitcoins.
- HPsquared 1y ago"Here we are, in the long run". Lots of bad decisions were made over the last few decades, now we are living in the result.
- 0xy 1y agoH1Bs are slave labor and the program is used primarily by sweat shop consultancies who pay them less than Americans. This will be incredible for Americans looking for work. They don't have to compete with artificially cheap workers.
- sylens 1y agoThe order allows for exemptions at the executive’s discretion. Aka, the biggest companies will bend the knee and get their way
- Muromec 1y agoWhat you are replying to is a not even a critique of the policy itself, so defending it is a bit misdirected on your part
- rjh29 1y agoWhen I think of slavery I usually think of working for free, not H1B tech worker salaries which are insanely high on a global scale. It's also something people actively sign up for.
- brazukadev 1y agoThe free part of slavery is about freedom, not payment. It was not uncommon for enslaved people to buy their way out of enslavement.
- alkonaut 1y agoDo Americans even want functioning bureaucracy? I'm starting to doubt they realize just how complex a modern democracy is, and how many moving parts need to work _just right_ for there to be jobs, money, media, law and order, free speech etc. A presidential candidate should be able to campaign on "normal foreign relations", "independent authorities", "functioning government", "decorum in politics", "balanced budget", etc. shouldn't they? Maybe 10 years ago that would seem like obvious things you wouldn't mention. But now you should be able to win an election on _only_ that.
- skippyboxedhero 1y agoA functioning bureaucracy is the death knell of ordered society.
- cyberax 1y agoSomalia is the best place on Early, then?
- slater 1y agoObligatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ul-Efi1Xys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ul-Efi1Xys
- skippyboxedhero 1y agoThe government is the economy in Somalia. There is no other economy. This is the case in most societies that are dedicated towards war...how else would you fund the war? You think militant groups in Somalia are IPOing on the NYSE? Companies build things based on a mutually advantageous trade, no-one wins from war so the only possible cause is government and politics.
- maest 1y agoFound Thiel's alt acount.