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Can you explain why you think it's moving specifically to Nazism? There's certainly an argument to be made for authoritarianism or some other version of non-dem

Can you explain why you think it's moving specifically to Nazism? There's certainly an argument to be made for authoritarianism or some other version of non-democratic rule, however throwing around Nazism weakens that argument instead of strengthening it given how overused that term/accusation is at this point.

jleyank 1y ago
They've tried building concentration camps. They're muzzling the press, they're thinking of banning the opposition, they oppose "them", and are going to great lengths to harm them. They're muzzling scientists and doctors, leading to population exodus. I'm sure there's other things I'm missing. But this is a reasonable approximation to where things stood in, say, 1937. Granted, they've not gone after neighbouring countries (yet?) but they've had their vom Raths, Horst Wessel's, ... And we'll see if the Reichstag burns over the next year. If they screw up the mid-term elections or talk about an enabling act or let trump run a 3rd term, will that be good enough for ya? And they talk about racial purity and limit women's roles and future. I'm sure there's a lebensraum in there somewhere. If you think using the term "Nazi" Godwin's the discussion, ok, just use Fascist. You have more countries to compare to with that term: Italy, Spain, Portugal, ...
- g-b-r 1y ago
  I wouldn't be completely surprised if there were a night of the long knives against democrats (if several high profile assassinations were to happen, for example), but to reach Nazism you'd need gas chambers
  - rolph 1y ago
    large chambers were desirable for efficiency optimization. now we have plastic hoods and a tank of Nitrogen.
  - jleyank 1y ago
    Some rando on Fox News mentioned euthanizing homeless. So it’s percolating under the surface. Don’t think they fired or censored him.
    - Terr_ 1y ago
      I think "rando" actually downplays how bad it is, since it sounds like a guest. The guy (Brian Kilmeade) works for Fox and has been hosting their opinion-shows for ~27 years. In this clip [0] of "Fox and Friends", the first host (Lawrence Jones) says that homeless people be forced to accept "the programs" from the government, or else be locked up in prison... and then Brian Kilmeade ramps it up with "just kill 'em", using "involuntary lethal injection." [0] https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9mq3oKI2KhY https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9mq3oKI2KhY
  - _DeadFred_ 1y ago
    Lethal injection for undesirables is being 'soft launched' openly on television with zero repercussion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phYOrM3SNV8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phYOrM3SNV8
  - soraminazuki 1y ago
    If we're being absolutely pedantic, I don't know if Nazism is the adequate term here. But putting that aside, the argument is that we're progressing towards it, not that we're in the final stages of that transformation. Also, why gas chambers specifically? The means don't matter as much as the objectives.
  - tastyface 1y ago
    The Final Solution was decided on in 1942. Were they not Nazis before then?
- g-b-r 1y ago
  Given they designated AntiFa a terrorist organization, they sure don't seem to like anti-fascists, though
  - AlexandrB 1y ago
    This is like saying the Nazis were socialists because they had "socialist" in the name of the party. Just because a group brands itself as something doesn't mean they are that thing.
    - g-b-r 1y ago
      You're claiming that they're not really antifascists?
    - Terr_ 1y ago
      The charitable interpretation here is that you don't realize what your post looks like in context, and you're being weirdly pedantic, sharing an abstract possibility that we have no reason to believe is relevant in this case. The uncharitable assertion is that you want people to believe that the label is incorrect... but you're afraid or incapable of making the argument, so you are maliciously sowing doubt. Neither are a particularly good look.
rolph 1y ago
this is what makes me think some pseudo-neo manifest is happening The Fourth Reich https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Reich https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Reich https://bradwillis.substack.com/p/the-fourth-reich https://bradwillis.substack.com/p/the-fourth-reich
_DeadFred_ 1y ago
Their media organ Fox News, on air, called for straight up execution of undesirables. And then did the weakest milk toast walk back. Fox felt comfortable enough with the situation that their host said this on air. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phYOrM3SNV8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phYOrM3SNV8
quickthrowman 1y ago
-Right wing media personalities advocating for euthanizing the homeless and receiving little pushback. Germany also executed ‘undesirables’ during the holocaust along with 6 million Jews. -The government attempting to control speech by removing broadcast licenses from networks that don’t comply. Joseph Goebbels blacklisted actors that were not fully onboard with the Nazi regime [0] Those are just the examples I can think of from the past week. All of the anti-science, anti-medicine, and anti-intellectualism over the past 6 months as well. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/1939/02/04/archives/goebbels-ends-careers-of-five-aryan-actors-who-made-witticisms.html https://www.nytimes.com/1939/02/04/archives/goebbels-ends-ca...
- _DeadFred_ 1y ago
  Germany justified killing the Jew because they were labeled 'undesirables' along with trans/gay, other minorities, migrant workers (the Roma).
  - _DeadFred_ 1y ago
    And now a new label for 'trans'. https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/fbi-readies-new-war-on-trans-people https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/fbi-readies-new-war-on-tra...

jleyank 1y ago

They've tried building concentration camps. They're muzzling the press, they're thinking of banning the opposition, they oppose "them", and are going to great lengths to harm them. They're muzzling scientists and doctors, leading to population exodus. I'm sure there's other things I'm missing. But this is a reasonable approximation to where things stood in, say, 1937. Granted, they've not gone after neighbouring countries (yet?) but they've had their vom Raths, Horst Wessel's, ... And we'll see if the Reichstag burns over the next year. If they screw up the mid-term elections or talk about an enabling act or let trump run a 3rd term, will that be good enough for ya? And they talk about racial purity and limit women's roles and future. I'm sure there's a lebensraum in there somewhere. If you think using the term "Nazi" Godwin's the discussion, ok, just use Fascist. You have more countries to compare to with that term: Italy, Spain, Portugal, ...

g-b-r 1y ago
I wouldn't be completely surprised if there were a night of the long knives against democrats (if several high profile assassinations were to happen, for example), but to reach Nazism you'd need gas chambers
- rolph 1y ago
  large chambers were desirable for efficiency optimization. now we have plastic hoods and a tank of Nitrogen.
- jleyank 1y ago
  Some rando on Fox News mentioned euthanizing homeless. So it’s percolating under the surface. Don’t think they fired or censored him.
  - Terr_ 1y ago
    I think "rando" actually downplays how bad it is, since it sounds like a guest. The guy (Brian Kilmeade) works for Fox and has been hosting their opinion-shows for ~27 years. In this clip [0] of "Fox and Friends", the first host (Lawrence Jones) says that homeless people be forced to accept "the programs" from the government, or else be locked up in prison... and then Brian Kilmeade ramps it up with "just kill 'em", using "involuntary lethal injection." [0] https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9mq3oKI2KhY https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9mq3oKI2KhY
- _DeadFred_ 1y ago
  Lethal injection for undesirables is being 'soft launched' openly on television with zero repercussion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phYOrM3SNV8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phYOrM3SNV8
- soraminazuki 1y ago
  If we're being absolutely pedantic, I don't know if Nazism is the adequate term here. But putting that aside, the argument is that we're progressing towards it, not that we're in the final stages of that transformation. Also, why gas chambers specifically? The means don't matter as much as the objectives.
- tastyface 1y ago
  The Final Solution was decided on in 1942. Were they not Nazis before then?
g-b-r 1y ago
Given they designated AntiFa a terrorist organization, they sure don't seem to like anti-fascists, though
- AlexandrB 1y ago
  This is like saying the Nazis were socialists because they had "socialist" in the name of the party. Just because a group brands itself as something doesn't mean they are that thing.
  - g-b-r 1y ago
    You're claiming that they're not really antifascists?
  - Terr_ 1y ago
    The charitable interpretation here is that you don't realize what your post looks like in context, and you're being weirdly pedantic, sharing an abstract possibility that we have no reason to believe is relevant in this case. The uncharitable assertion is that you want people to believe that the label is incorrect... but you're afraid or incapable of making the argument, so you are maliciously sowing doubt. Neither are a particularly good look.

rolph 1y ago

this is what makes me think some pseudo-neo manifest is happening The Fourth Reich https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Reich https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Reich https://bradwillis.substack.com/p/the-fourth-reich https://bradwillis.substack.com/p/the-fourth-reich

_DeadFred_ 1y ago

Their media organ Fox News, on air, called for straight up execution of undesirables. And then did the weakest milk toast walk back. Fox felt comfortable enough with the situation that their host said this on air. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phYOrM3SNV8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phYOrM3SNV8

quickthrowman 1y ago

-Right wing media personalities advocating for euthanizing the homeless and receiving little pushback. Germany also executed ‘undesirables’ during the holocaust along with 6 million Jews. -The government attempting to control speech by removing broadcast licenses from networks that don’t comply. Joseph Goebbels blacklisted actors that were not fully onboard with the Nazi regime [0] Those are just the examples I can think of from the past week. All of the anti-science, anti-medicine, and anti-intellectualism over the past 6 months as well. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/1939/02/04/archives/goebbels-ends-careers-of-five-aryan-actors-who-made-witticisms.html https://www.nytimes.com/1939/02/04/archives/goebbels-ends-ca...

_DeadFred_ 1y ago
Germany justified killing the Jew because they were labeled 'undesirables' along with trans/gay, other minorities, migrant workers (the Roma).
- _DeadFred_ 1y ago
  And now a new label for 'trans'. https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/fbi-readies-new-war-on-trans-people https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/fbi-readies-new-war-on-tra...