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EU must go.
by flanked-evergl 1y ago
EU must go.
- patates 1y agoWell that escalated quickly, didn't it?
- jtbayly 1y agoYes, the EU did escalate things to such an extent that absolutely countries should be considering leaving over the EU’s insane push to destroy all privacy and thus free speech.
- nickslaughter02 1y agoGood luck. EU has been producing one Europe crippling law and regulation after another and it still enjoys wide support for some reason. Ursula is facing two more no confidence votes in October so hopefully the tide is changing.
- flanked-evergl 1y agoPeople were told the lie that without the EU there will be war again. Like the economic stagnation and decline of Europe is somehow the final solution and the end of history.
- nickslaughter02 1y agoYou don't have to convince me. You have to convince people who will immediately reject anything negative about EU, even here on HN (see the coming downvotes).
- phtrivier 1y agoEU is not enough. I'm sometimes not happy with the decision taken by governments in France, so what really has to happen is HauteGaronnExit, where my departement is freed from the influence of borders decided in a Revolution two centuries ago, of which I was never explicitly asked to approve. And, come to think of it, I don't like all the decisions taken by the departement either. Surely things will work great when my street is responsible for the electrical grid, immigration or international commerce. And when I say "my street", I obviously mean "my half of the street". I'm not against odd-numbered houses "per se", but, you know...
- gpderetta 1y agoNo EU means that most states would already have implemented Chat Control. Case in point, the UK.
- flanked-evergl 1y agoIf the UK citizens want Chat Control they should have it. If they don't, they should not elect a government that wants it. Same goes for almost every issue the EU is pushing. Not everyone in the EU needs Chat Control just because the UK citizens really want a government that will give them Chat Control.
- fwsgonzo 1y agoIs there any living person that thinks the UK people want ChatControl? No? Me neither.
- flanked-evergl 1y agoIf the UK no longer has democracy then that is not something the EU can fix by giving UK chat control.
- waxyalan 1y agoWith 69% of people supporting the Online Safety Act [1] I'm confident there are people in the UK that would also support Chat Control [1] https://yougov.co.uk/technology/articles/52693-how-have-britons-reacted-to-age-verification https://yougov.co.uk/technology/articles/52693-how-have-brit...
- hsbauauvhabzb 1y agoDidn’t the surveys indicate a brexit as a pretty big regret once people understood what it meant?
- kelnos 1y agoSure, when you frame the question as, "do you support these measures to ensure children don't have access to pornography?", of course people are going to support it. Present evidence that the new laws will be a danger to their fundamental rights and maybe you won't get quite as much support. Also, that survey shows that there's broad support even though the same people don't believe the new laws will be effective. So... that's pretty stupid.
- anthk 1y agoNo, just Ursula and lobbies among the Denmark wacko against privacy.
- 0xy 1y agoThe EU began as a simple customs bloc and negotiating tool. It has morphed into a blood sucking behemoth preventing growth and discouraging progress.
- russnes 1y agodown with the EU