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Gaza Health Ministry is literally Hamas. When they took power, they replaced the leadership (much like RFK Jr. is doing at the CDC now). In addition to GHM lead

Gaza Health Ministry is literally Hamas. When they took power, they replaced the leadership (much like RFK Jr. is doing at the CDC now). In addition to GHM leadership being unqualified Hamas operatives, all numbers and repots are vetted by Hamas proper before release. Please stop polluting the conversation with ChatGPT slop.

sillyfluke 1y ago
The Gaza Health Ministry, whatever that is, is known to be undercounting deaths because it doesn't count corpses that haven't been reached. Why is a former Israeli general saying that deaths are at least 200,000?[0] And Israel military intelligence saying 80% of death are civilians? Are they also Hamas? Netanyahu is on record prior to October 7th bragging about how Israel aided Hamas, a designated terror organization by their book, in order to weaken the PLO. You have no legs to stand on. You're arguing in bad faith or being willfully ignorant because you're not adressing what has been talked about ad nauseum by the other side. [0] https://portside.org/2025-09-13/ex-idf-chief-confirms-gaza-casualties-over-200000 https://portside.org/2025-09-13/ex-idf-chief-confirms-gaza-c...
- trhway 1y ago
  I didn't get it - do you agree or disagree that the Ministry of Health is HAMAS which is a terrorist organization which in particular perpetrated genocide of Jewish people on Oct 7, 2023. HAMAS perpetrated the genocide of Jewish people, and now its propaganda is used as the basis to declare genocide supposedly perpetrated by the Jewish state while fighting against HAMAS. You don't see anything strange here? And another strange thing - why UN didn't call out the genocide of Jewish people by HAMAS?
  - hvb2 1y ago
    > And another strange thing - why UN didn't call out the genocide of Jewish people by HAMAS? Just look at death tolls maybe? October 7, 1200 people. While despicable, nowhere near the effort Israel is putting in, right? Aside from the affect that the Israeli government has pretty much said they want to get all the Palestinians out of Gaza and are actively working towards that. No one is justifying October 7.
    - trhway 1y ago
      >Just look at death tolls maybe? October 7, 1200 people. While despicable, nowhere near the effort Israel is putting in, right? Crime of genocide has nothing to do with numbers. It sounds though that for you the numbers do matter, and that the 1200 deaths isn't enough for you. What number is enough for you? >No one is justifying October 7. You haven't heard any pro-Palestinian protests and their various supporters? >Aside from the affect that the Israeli government has pretty much said they want to get all the Palestinians out of Gaza and are actively working towards that. Moving refugees from one camp to another may be warranted to solve serious security issues (Jordan for example kicked out Palestinians from Jordan back then when the Palestinians attacked Jordan which was hosting them at the time - a lot of similarities to how Palestinians attacked Israel. Nobody argued against expelling Palestinians from Jordan back then). Or do you mean that Gaza is the Motherland of those living there, and they aren't refugees anymore?
      - hvb2 1y ago
        > Crime of genocide has nothing to do with numbers. It does, not in absolute sense put in percentages. Also, besides weapons of mass destruction you cannot commit genocide in a day on a population this big. It's the persistence that does it. No one ever called 9/11 genocide either right? > You haven't heard any pro-Palestinian protests and their various supporters? I mean in this thread, obviously. You want to own all of the stuff coming out of ben gvir and smotrich? Because if you do, we can settle the genocide discussion right here. > Moving refugees from one camp to another may be warranted to solve serious security issues So as soon as you've invaded an area and created the refugees you can push them wherever you want? We're not talking about Israel pushing refugees out of their country. And finally, where are they supposed to go, and how?
    - dotancohen 1y ago
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      - hvb2 1y ago
        > Hamas, given the chance, would be performing real genocide. Sure, but they're not. Israel however? I think there is compelling evidence that it is being given the chance and taking the world up on it. Again, no one is justifying what Hamas did.
  - toast0 1y ago
    Is your argument that if they do a genocide, you get to do a genocide? That's what it sounds like. I'd love to get data from an unbiased source, but how do you do that in this situation? Ministry of Health can't be trusted, Israeli sources can't be trusted, independent journalists don't have reasonable access and are regularly killed while reporting. > And another strange thing - why UN didn't call out the genocide of Jewish people by HAMAS? I would think priority needs to go to activity that is ongoing. This report may help bring an end to the ongoing activity, but the Hamas attacks are not ongoing. This report was specificially not on that topic, but mentioned that it may qualify as genocide. The ICC did issue an arrest warrant for a Hamas commander and there was widespread condemnation of the attacks. Further specific reporting would likely benefit from cooperation of Israeli sources, but Israel doesn't like to cooperate with the UN.
hvb2 1y ago
Aside from everything else already said here, you don't allow journalists in and those that are still there get targeted/killed. It's quite hard to get information out when you're actively trying to make that to be the case. But I understand why they wouldn't let im journalists. That would completely undermine the narrative. Also, why are you so opposed to taking something from one side of the conflict when you are YOURSELF quoting the Israeli government... Please go take a civics class
disgruntledphd2 1y ago
> When they took power, they replaced the leadership In 2007, so 18 years ago?

sillyfluke 1y ago

The Gaza Health Ministry, whatever that is, is known to be undercounting deaths because it doesn't count corpses that haven't been reached. Why is a former Israeli general saying that deaths are at least 200,000?[0] And Israel military intelligence saying 80% of death are civilians? Are they also Hamas? Netanyahu is on record prior to October 7th bragging about how Israel aided Hamas, a designated terror organization by their book, in order to weaken the PLO. You have no legs to stand on. You're arguing in bad faith or being willfully ignorant because you're not adressing what has been talked about ad nauseum by the other side. [0] https://portside.org/2025-09-13/ex-idf-chief-confirms-gaza-casualties-over-200000 https://portside.org/2025-09-13/ex-idf-chief-confirms-gaza-c...

trhway 1y ago
I didn't get it - do you agree or disagree that the Ministry of Health is HAMAS which is a terrorist organization which in particular perpetrated genocide of Jewish people on Oct 7, 2023. HAMAS perpetrated the genocide of Jewish people, and now its propaganda is used as the basis to declare genocide supposedly perpetrated by the Jewish state while fighting against HAMAS. You don't see anything strange here? And another strange thing - why UN didn't call out the genocide of Jewish people by HAMAS?
- hvb2 1y ago
  > And another strange thing - why UN didn't call out the genocide of Jewish people by HAMAS? Just look at death tolls maybe? October 7, 1200 people. While despicable, nowhere near the effort Israel is putting in, right? Aside from the affect that the Israeli government has pretty much said they want to get all the Palestinians out of Gaza and are actively working towards that. No one is justifying October 7.
  - trhway 1y ago
    >Just look at death tolls maybe? October 7, 1200 people. While despicable, nowhere near the effort Israel is putting in, right? Crime of genocide has nothing to do with numbers. It sounds though that for you the numbers do matter, and that the 1200 deaths isn't enough for you. What number is enough for you? >No one is justifying October 7. You haven't heard any pro-Palestinian protests and their various supporters? >Aside from the affect that the Israeli government has pretty much said they want to get all the Palestinians out of Gaza and are actively working towards that. Moving refugees from one camp to another may be warranted to solve serious security issues (Jordan for example kicked out Palestinians from Jordan back then when the Palestinians attacked Jordan which was hosting them at the time - a lot of similarities to how Palestinians attacked Israel. Nobody argued against expelling Palestinians from Jordan back then). Or do you mean that Gaza is the Motherland of those living there, and they aren't refugees anymore?
    - hvb2 1y ago
      > Crime of genocide has nothing to do with numbers. It does, not in absolute sense put in percentages. Also, besides weapons of mass destruction you cannot commit genocide in a day on a population this big. It's the persistence that does it. No one ever called 9/11 genocide either right? > You haven't heard any pro-Palestinian protests and their various supporters? I mean in this thread, obviously. You want to own all of the stuff coming out of ben gvir and smotrich? Because if you do, we can settle the genocide discussion right here. > Moving refugees from one camp to another may be warranted to solve serious security issues So as soon as you've invaded an area and created the refugees you can push them wherever you want? We're not talking about Israel pushing refugees out of their country. And finally, where are they supposed to go, and how?
  - dotancohen 1y ago
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    - hvb2 1y ago
      > Hamas, given the chance, would be performing real genocide. Sure, but they're not. Israel however? I think there is compelling evidence that it is being given the chance and taking the world up on it. Again, no one is justifying what Hamas did.
- toast0 1y ago
  Is your argument that if they do a genocide, you get to do a genocide? That's what it sounds like. I'd love to get data from an unbiased source, but how do you do that in this situation? Ministry of Health can't be trusted, Israeli sources can't be trusted, independent journalists don't have reasonable access and are regularly killed while reporting. > And another strange thing - why UN didn't call out the genocide of Jewish people by HAMAS? I would think priority needs to go to activity that is ongoing. This report may help bring an end to the ongoing activity, but the Hamas attacks are not ongoing. This report was specificially not on that topic, but mentioned that it may qualify as genocide. The ICC did issue an arrest warrant for a Hamas commander and there was widespread condemnation of the attacks. Further specific reporting would likely benefit from cooperation of Israeli sources, but Israel doesn't like to cooperate with the UN.

hvb2 1y ago

Aside from everything else already said here, you don't allow journalists in and those that are still there get targeted/killed. It's quite hard to get information out when you're actively trying to make that to be the case. But I understand why they wouldn't let im journalists. That would completely undermine the narrative. Also, why are you so opposed to taking something from one side of the conflict when you are YOURSELF quoting the Israeli government... Please go take a civics class

disgruntledphd2 1y ago

> When they took power, they replaced the leadership In 2007, so 18 years ago?