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Genocide is not complicated.

cjs_ac 1y ago
Genocide is both extreme and labour-intensive. No one wakes up in the morning and decides to become an extremist; it takes an awful lot to turn someone into an extremist. That 'awful lot' has to happen to many people for a genocide to actually happen. The genocide itself is simple enough; the thousands of years of conflict leading to the genocide are not. Anyone who believes they can unpick all that history to come to a neat conclusion about who are the 'goodies' and who are the 'baddies' is a fool. My only interest in this conflict is in keeping it as far away from myself, my kith and my kin as possible.
- jajko 1y ago
  There are no goodies in this conflict, it doesn't matter whether some folks refuse to acknowledge their own tribe or ethnicity is doing or done some absolutely horrible things. No amount of whatabouttism is changing that, rest are details. When anybody has doubts about how fucked up world and humans are, I just direct them into this medium-term conflict, facts are easy enough to find.
- pjc50 1y ago
  Nazi Germany provided people the opportunity to become an extremist by answering a job ad, and put together a whole murderous infrastructure of extremism in about a decade.
  - octopoc 1y ago
    The vast majority of Germans had no idea about the holocaust. It wasn't even well known outside Germany until a decade later IIRC. What's happening in Gaza is different because now we have cell phones and the Internet, and AI isn't quite good enough yet to fake a genocide.
    - TheCoelacanth 1y ago
      That's certainly not true. They perhaps didn't know the full details, but Hitler was very clear about his intention to eradicate Jews from Europe even in 1939 when the Holocaust had barely started. They definitely knew that Jews were being rounded up and sent to camps for slave labor in horrid and dangerous conditions that would kill many of them.
- etc-hosts 1y ago
  I actually do think there are people in the Israeli government who wake up in the morning and work very hard all day planning on how to move every single Palestinian, dead or alive, out of Gaza and the West Bank.
  - _DeadFred_ 1y ago
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  - velcrohn 1y ago
    Sources?
trhway 1y ago
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- nakamoto_damacy 1y ago
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  - adastra22 1y ago
    Gaza Health Ministry is literally Hamas. When they took power, they replaced the leadership (much like RFK Jr. is doing at the CDC now). In addition to GHM leadership being unqualified Hamas operatives, all numbers and repots are vetted by Hamas proper before release. Please stop polluting the conversation with ChatGPT slop.
    - sillyfluke 1y ago
      The Gaza Health Ministry, whatever that is, is known to be undercounting deaths because it doesn't count corpses that haven't been reached. Why is a former Israeli general saying that deaths are at least 200,000?[0] And Israel military intelligence saying 80% of death are civilians? Are they also Hamas? Netanyahu is on record prior to October 7th bragging about how Israel aided Hamas, a designated terror organization by their book, in order to weaken the PLO. You have no legs to stand on. You're arguing in bad faith or being willfully ignorant because you're not adressing what has been talked about ad nauseum by the other side. [0] https://portside.org/2025-09-13/ex-idf-chief-confirms-gaza-casualties-over-200000 https://portside.org/2025-09-13/ex-idf-chief-confirms-gaza-c...
      - trhway 1y ago
        I didn't get it - do you agree or disagree that the Ministry of Health is HAMAS which is a terrorist organization which in particular perpetrated genocide of Jewish people on Oct 7, 2023. HAMAS perpetrated the genocide of Jewish people, and now its propaganda is used as the basis to declare genocide supposedly perpetrated by the Jewish state while fighting against HAMAS. You don't see anything strange here? And another strange thing - why UN didn't call out the genocide of Jewish people by HAMAS?
adastra22 1y ago
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- nakamoto_damacy 1y ago
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  - pjc50 1y ago
    The one thing less reliable than the propaganda offices of the belligerents is chatgpt. Let's stick to actual sources.
    - adastra22 1y ago
      And even ChatGPT is just regurgitating Hamas propaganda (Gaza MoH).
      - wildrhythms 1y ago
        You keep saying this, but the UN considers Gaza Ministry of Health reporting to be reliable. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/despite-bidens-doubts-humanitarian-agencies-consider-gaza-toll-reliable-2023-10-27/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/despite-bidens-dou...
        hellojesus 1y ago
        I don't have a dog in this fight, but what makes the UN reliable? Doesn't it just reflect the biases of its composition?
  - GJim 1y ago
    > ChatGPT Quoting an AI, rather than specific sources of information, isn't helpful and certainly should not be used to support an argument.
  - Natfan 1y ago
    Could you provide citations for these? Just because they are statistically relevant 1s and 0s that an LLM has constructed and rendered as UTF-8 text doesn't mean that they're true.

Genocide is both extreme and labour-intensive. No one wakes up in the morning and decides to become an extremist; it takes an awful lot to turn someone into an extremist. That 'awful lot' has to happen to many people for a genocide to actually happen. The genocide itself is simple enough; the thousands of years of conflict leading to the genocide are not. Anyone who believes they can unpick all that history to come to a neat conclusion about who are the 'goodies' and who are the 'baddies' is a fool. My only interest in this conflict is in keeping it as far away from myself, my kith and my kin as possible.

jajko 1y ago
There are no goodies in this conflict, it doesn't matter whether some folks refuse to acknowledge their own tribe or ethnicity is doing or done some absolutely horrible things. No amount of whatabouttism is changing that, rest are details. When anybody has doubts about how fucked up world and humans are, I just direct them into this medium-term conflict, facts are easy enough to find.
pjc50 1y ago
Nazi Germany provided people the opportunity to become an extremist by answering a job ad, and put together a whole murderous infrastructure of extremism in about a decade.
- octopoc 1y ago
  The vast majority of Germans had no idea about the holocaust. It wasn't even well known outside Germany until a decade later IIRC. What's happening in Gaza is different because now we have cell phones and the Internet, and AI isn't quite good enough yet to fake a genocide.
  - TheCoelacanth 1y ago
    That's certainly not true. They perhaps didn't know the full details, but Hitler was very clear about his intention to eradicate Jews from Europe even in 1939 when the Holocaust had barely started. They definitely knew that Jews were being rounded up and sent to camps for slave labor in horrid and dangerous conditions that would kill many of them.
etc-hosts 1y ago
I actually do think there are people in the Israeli government who wake up in the morning and work very hard all day planning on how to move every single Palestinian, dead or alive, out of Gaza and the West Bank.
- _DeadFred_ 1y ago
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- velcrohn 1y ago
  Sources?

trhway 1y ago

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nakamoto_damacy 1y ago
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- adastra22 1y ago
  Gaza Health Ministry is literally Hamas. When they took power, they replaced the leadership (much like RFK Jr. is doing at the CDC now). In addition to GHM leadership being unqualified Hamas operatives, all numbers and repots are vetted by Hamas proper before release. Please stop polluting the conversation with ChatGPT slop.
  - sillyfluke 1y ago
    The Gaza Health Ministry, whatever that is, is known to be undercounting deaths because it doesn't count corpses that haven't been reached. Why is a former Israeli general saying that deaths are at least 200,000?[0] And Israel military intelligence saying 80% of death are civilians? Are they also Hamas? Netanyahu is on record prior to October 7th bragging about how Israel aided Hamas, a designated terror organization by their book, in order to weaken the PLO. You have no legs to stand on. You're arguing in bad faith or being willfully ignorant because you're not adressing what has been talked about ad nauseum by the other side. [0] https://portside.org/2025-09-13/ex-idf-chief-confirms-gaza-casualties-over-200000 https://portside.org/2025-09-13/ex-idf-chief-confirms-gaza-c...
    - trhway 1y ago
      I didn't get it - do you agree or disagree that the Ministry of Health is HAMAS which is a terrorist organization which in particular perpetrated genocide of Jewish people on Oct 7, 2023. HAMAS perpetrated the genocide of Jewish people, and now its propaganda is used as the basis to declare genocide supposedly perpetrated by the Jewish state while fighting against HAMAS. You don't see anything strange here? And another strange thing - why UN didn't call out the genocide of Jewish people by HAMAS?

adastra22 1y ago

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nakamoto_damacy 1y ago
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- pjc50 1y ago
  The one thing less reliable than the propaganda offices of the belligerents is chatgpt. Let's stick to actual sources.
  - adastra22 1y ago
    And even ChatGPT is just regurgitating Hamas propaganda (Gaza MoH).
    - wildrhythms 1y ago
      You keep saying this, but the UN considers Gaza Ministry of Health reporting to be reliable. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/despite-bidens-doubts-humanitarian-agencies-consider-gaza-toll-reliable-2023-10-27/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/despite-bidens-dou...
      - hellojesus 1y ago
        I don't have a dog in this fight, but what makes the UN reliable? Doesn't it just reflect the biases of its composition?
- GJim 1y ago
  > ChatGPT Quoting an AI, rather than specific sources of information, isn't helpful and certainly should not be used to support an argument.
- Natfan 1y ago
  Could you provide citations for these? Just because they are statistically relevant 1s and 0s that an LLM has constructed and rendered as UTF-8 text doesn't mean that they're true.