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It's always useful to balance these claims against their critics. Towards that end I offer up unwatch. https://unwatch.org/ https://unwatch.org/

by eej71 1y ago

random9749832 1y ago
Nice critic. I remember on Reddit watching someone get blown up the other day while carrying water while it was still up. I think they were under 10. Not sure if they died or just lost all their limbs.
- dotancohen 1y ago
  That was a young Gazan girl who tripped a Hamas IED that had been set for Israeli troops. That's why there was a camera pointed at it.
  - random9749832 1y ago
    >That was a young Gazan girl Are we sure we are talking about the same child who got blown up? There is quite a few.
    - dotancohen 1y ago
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      - ThrowMeAway1618 1y ago
        >It could have been another, unfortunately many children are dying right now. Yeah. It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes.[0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOXvDGRvX70 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOXvDGRvX70
bix6 1y ago
Is there a specific report arguing that Israel is not committing genocide? I don’t see it on the home page.
- bjoli 1y ago
  Unwatch is, and has always been, critical of everything the UN does with regards to Israel. Had the UN made one statement like "Israel should not arbitrarily detain children and hold them without fair trials", I am pretty sure unwatch would twist it into antisemitism.
- dotancohen 1y ago
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- protocolture 1y ago
  The purpose of a tool like unwatch is to disseminate information to help zionists pollute discussions like these. They dont care about being right, or contributing information to the discussion, as much as they want to hand out gotchas, whatabouts, ad homs and so forth. Thats why its all just character assassination.
  - cowboylowrez 1y ago
    labeling information as pollution is sort of a red flag for me. I see this tactic used often, and its often followed up with accusations that don't even address the information labelled as pollution. now don't get me wrong, this tactic does work, it won trump two terms didn't it? I guess its just sort of a red flag for me as I'm not a trump fan. at least you didn't call it "fake news" so have an upvote, I'll take progress where I can get it lol
    - protocolture 1y ago
      Yeah thats a fair statement. Feel free to check me on this, but the front page of unwatch appears to be covered in attack/slander/talking points on Francesca Albanese, compare and contrast with say,the wiki talk page for her, which goes through each claim individually.
shadowgovt 1y ago
True. And in the interest of balancing the claims of the critics, I offer up the observation that UN Watch is "a lobby group with strong ties to Israel" (AFP article: Capella, Peter. "UN Gaza probe chief underlines balanced approach." 7-Jul-2009. https://web.archive.org/web/20111222162658/https://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gEMY5NvupmG2iAyQwg6C6ehzeWzA https://web.archive.org/web/20111222162658/https://www.googl...).
- dotancohen 1y ago
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rzk 1y ago
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Watch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Watch: > Agence France-Presse has described UN Watch as "a lobby group with strong ties to Israel" ... Primarily, UN Watch denounces what it views as anti-Israel sentiment at the UN and UN-sponsored events.
- ukblewis 1y ago
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  - rzk 1y ago
    > Except no-one has ever offered any proof UN Watch is “tied to Israel” Here is Hillel Neuer, Executive Director of UN Watch (https://x.com/HillelNeuer/status/1711844160804638980 https://x.com/HillelNeuer/status/1711844160804638980): “I just got off the phone with a third call with Prime Minister Netanyahu”
DaveExeter 1y ago
Isn't that an Israeli "hasbara" site? The Israelis have admitted that they use the false cry of "antisemitism" to attack. "Calling it antisemitism - it’s a trick we always use." Shulamit Aloni, former Israeli Minister https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1896748975207952758 https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1896748975207952758
- gspencley 1y ago
  How is that a refutation? If I want to understand any position I would look for first sources. Say I want to understand why Russian invaded Ukraine, I would seek out Russian sources. When I try to understand the Palestinian position, I seek out Palestinian sources. The beautiful thing about intellectual honesty and openness is that you don't have to agree with any position. You can expose yourself to things that deeply conflict with your personal values and walk away with a deeper understanding of why you value what you value, and how to refute ideas that you strongly disagree with. To dismiss a source because it is Israeli ironically gives fuel to the antisemitism charge. You're saying that the very reason to dismiss it, to not even bother entertaining its arguments is because it is Israeli and no other reason. Beyond that, you are even arguing that any claims of prejudice can be dismissed outright on the basis of one thing that one Israeli Minster once said [allegedly]. That is the very definition of prejudice.
  - eej71 1y ago
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  - alexisread 1y ago
    Quite simply Israelis and Jews are not the same group, otherwise you would be holding all Jews on the planet responsible for this genocide. Dismissing the source for being Israeli is not antisemitic. There are many examples of Israeli sources lying about the state of things, from the baseless claims against UNRWA to the unconscionable excuse of burying medics and the ambulances they were in, to avoid wild dogs eating them. Israeli sources rarely offer evidence to refute the claims presented in this report, and a cry of antisemitism, as stated, conflates Judeism with Israeli nationality, hence these sources are worthless at best.
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amelius 1y ago
You can criticize it, but the fact that we're here should tell you enough already. There is no "yes, but" when genocide is taking place.
buyucu 1y ago
unwatch is funded by religious lunatics in Israel. Nobody takes it seriously.
- dotancohen 1y ago
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  - 8note 1y ago
    i saw this comment before going to take a look, but scrolling down from the top, the page seems to all be character assasination about Francesca Albanese and not disputing facts. you can look for yourself - its the same as the "its funded by lunatics" comment, just swapping which lunatics. if they've got arguments, they arent putting them forward as what they consider the most important.
    - ukblewis 1y ago
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    - Hikikomori 1y ago
      Can't reply to the other guy. The report states on the first page "most likely pro-Hamas lobby groups in those countries", very conclusive indeed. The supposedly pro Hamas groups: The Australian Friends of Palestine Association and Australia Palestine Advocacy Network, as well as the Free Palestine Melbourne and Palestinian Christians in Australia. Just regular old "its antisemitism" to say that Israel shouldn't be killing so many civilians. Hasbara has become so bad its laughable that they think this is a website worth taking seriously, or it would be if they were using Hasbara to keep killing civilians.
  - buyucu 1y ago
    Are you ok with ypu goverment comitting mass murder? That is the only question that matters.
    - dotancohen 1y ago

It's always useful to balance these claims against their critics. Towards that end I offer up unwatch. https://unwatch.org/ https://unwatch.org/

by eej71 1y ago

It's always useful to balance these claims against their critics. Towards that end I offer up unwatch. https://unwatch.org/ https://unwatch.org/

random9749832 1y ago

Nice critic. I remember on Reddit watching someone get blown up the other day while carrying water while it was still up. I think they were under 10. Not sure if they died or just lost all their limbs.

dotancohen 1y ago
That was a young Gazan girl who tripped a Hamas IED that had been set for Israeli troops. That's why there was a camera pointed at it.
- random9749832 1y ago
  >That was a young Gazan girl Are we sure we are talking about the same child who got blown up? There is quite a few.
  - dotancohen 1y ago
    [flagged]
    - ThrowMeAway1618 1y ago
      >It could have been another, unfortunately many children are dying right now. Yeah. It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes.[0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOXvDGRvX70 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOXvDGRvX70

bix6 1y ago

Is there a specific report arguing that Israel is not committing genocide? I don’t see it on the home page.

bjoli 1y ago
Unwatch is, and has always been, critical of everything the UN does with regards to Israel. Had the UN made one statement like "Israel should not arbitrarily detain children and hold them without fair trials", I am pretty sure unwatch would twist it into antisemitism.
dotancohen 1y ago
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protocolture 1y ago
The purpose of a tool like unwatch is to disseminate information to help zionists pollute discussions like these. They dont care about being right, or contributing information to the discussion, as much as they want to hand out gotchas, whatabouts, ad homs and so forth. Thats why its all just character assassination.
- cowboylowrez 1y ago
  labeling information as pollution is sort of a red flag for me. I see this tactic used often, and its often followed up with accusations that don't even address the information labelled as pollution. now don't get me wrong, this tactic does work, it won trump two terms didn't it? I guess its just sort of a red flag for me as I'm not a trump fan. at least you didn't call it "fake news" so have an upvote, I'll take progress where I can get it lol
  - protocolture 1y ago
    Yeah thats a fair statement. Feel free to check me on this, but the front page of unwatch appears to be covered in attack/slander/talking points on Francesca Albanese, compare and contrast with say,the wiki talk page for her, which goes through each claim individually.

shadowgovt 1y ago

True. And in the interest of balancing the claims of the critics, I offer up the observation that UN Watch is "a lobby group with strong ties to Israel" (AFP article: Capella, Peter. "UN Gaza probe chief underlines balanced approach." 7-Jul-2009. https://web.archive.org/web/20111222162658/https://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gEMY5NvupmG2iAyQwg6C6ehzeWzA https://web.archive.org/web/20111222162658/https://www.googl...).

dotancohen 1y ago
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rzk 1y ago

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Watch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Watch: > Agence France-Presse has described UN Watch as "a lobby group with strong ties to Israel" ... Primarily, UN Watch denounces what it views as anti-Israel sentiment at the UN and UN-sponsored events.

ukblewis 1y ago
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- rzk 1y ago
  > Except no-one has ever offered any proof UN Watch is “tied to Israel” Here is Hillel Neuer, Executive Director of UN Watch (https://x.com/HillelNeuer/status/1711844160804638980 https://x.com/HillelNeuer/status/1711844160804638980): “I just got off the phone with a third call with Prime Minister Netanyahu”

DaveExeter 1y ago

Isn't that an Israeli "hasbara" site? The Israelis have admitted that they use the false cry of "antisemitism" to attack. "Calling it antisemitism - it’s a trick we always use." Shulamit Aloni, former Israeli Minister https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1896748975207952758 https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1896748975207952758

gspencley 1y ago
How is that a refutation? If I want to understand any position I would look for first sources. Say I want to understand why Russian invaded Ukraine, I would seek out Russian sources. When I try to understand the Palestinian position, I seek out Palestinian sources. The beautiful thing about intellectual honesty and openness is that you don't have to agree with any position. You can expose yourself to things that deeply conflict with your personal values and walk away with a deeper understanding of why you value what you value, and how to refute ideas that you strongly disagree with. To dismiss a source because it is Israeli ironically gives fuel to the antisemitism charge. You're saying that the very reason to dismiss it, to not even bother entertaining its arguments is because it is Israeli and no other reason. Beyond that, you are even arguing that any claims of prejudice can be dismissed outright on the basis of one thing that one Israeli Minster once said [allegedly]. That is the very definition of prejudice.
- eej71 1y ago
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- alexisread 1y ago
  Quite simply Israelis and Jews are not the same group, otherwise you would be holding all Jews on the planet responsible for this genocide. Dismissing the source for being Israeli is not antisemitic. There are many examples of Israeli sources lying about the state of things, from the baseless claims against UNRWA to the unconscionable excuse of burying medics and the ambulances they were in, to avoid wild dogs eating them. Israeli sources rarely offer evidence to refute the claims presented in this report, and a cry of antisemitism, as stated, conflates Judeism with Israeli nationality, hence these sources are worthless at best.

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amelius 1y ago

You can criticize it, but the fact that we're here should tell you enough already. There is no "yes, but" when genocide is taking place.

buyucu 1y ago

unwatch is funded by religious lunatics in Israel. Nobody takes it seriously.

dotancohen 1y ago
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- 8note 1y ago
  i saw this comment before going to take a look, but scrolling down from the top, the page seems to all be character assasination about Francesca Albanese and not disputing facts. you can look for yourself - its the same as the "its funded by lunatics" comment, just swapping which lunatics. if they've got arguments, they arent putting them forward as what they consider the most important.
  - ukblewis 1y ago
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  - Hikikomori 1y ago
    Can't reply to the other guy. The report states on the first page "most likely pro-Hamas lobby groups in those countries", very conclusive indeed. The supposedly pro Hamas groups: The Australian Friends of Palestine Association and Australia Palestine Advocacy Network, as well as the Free Palestine Melbourne and Palestinian Christians in Australia. Just regular old "its antisemitism" to say that Israel shouldn't be killing so many civilians. Hasbara has become so bad its laughable that they think this is a website worth taking seriously, or it would be if they were using Hasbara to keep killing civilians.
- buyucu 1y ago
  Are you ok with ypu goverment comitting mass murder? That is the only question that matters.
  - dotancohen 1y ago