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Microsoft Favors Anthropic over OpenAI for Visual Studio Code
- verdverm 1y agoAnthropic didn't make the cut in our evaluation (data usage concerns). They have also been the shadiest of the companies They lost me when they expired my money and then tried to take more without asking
- gigel82 1y agoI don't think it's Microsoft that favors it. It's likely customers. Claude wipes the floor with all the GPTs in GitHub Copilot (in my experience).
- piker 1y agoIn some ways it makes sense to pave the way for Claude to protect the brand of VS Code. On the other hand, it’s a bit of a head-scratcher since it seems like VS code was built as a loss-leader to sell Microsoft cloud products. Perhaps enterprise ChatGPT, co-pilot and GitHub can make up the difference even if the community tier favors Claude. Edit: maybe Cursor forced this and Microsoft is taking its choice to open license VS code on the chin. Will be interesting to see the strategy with Visual Studio going forward.
- paxys 1y agoClaude was the gold standard for coding but I have had a lot of success with GPT-5. Nowadays I pretty much always default to GPT-5.
- bwat49 1y agoyeah I've been getting better results with codex (gpt5) vs claude
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- jbm 1y agoYeah, likewise. Claude has been going downhill recently for me, while Codex works great. I nearly cancelled my ChatGPT membership until they started providing codex, and now I'm considering if I want to use Pro again. It's weird though because ChatGPT itself is not particularly better than it was before. Bringing down costs per token probably means they can do more reasoning before coding than Codex does.
- Alifatisk 1y agoYup, GPT-5 took the throne of Sonnet
- breakingcups 1y agoHow do you use GPT-5? I've wanted to try it from Cline, but to be allowed to use GPT-5 through the API I need to submit my biometrics to OpenAI and that's not happening.
- kerpal 1y agoClaude/Anthropic is more focused on productivity (Coding, Spreadsheets, Reports). ChatGPT seems more focused on general-purpose LLM (Research, Cooking, Writing, Image Generation). Makes sense that MS would partner with Anthropic since their tool-use for productivity (Claude Code) seems superior. I personally rarely code with ChatGPT, almost strictly Claude.
- _fat_santa 1y agoThis has been largely my experience as well. Claude does way better with coding while ChatGPT does better with general questions.
- bobbylarrybobby 1y agoThe new gpt-codex-* models are giving Claude Code a serious run for its money IMO. If OpenAI can figure out the Codex CLI UI (better permissions, more back and forth before executing) then I think they will have the better agentic coder.
- kerpal 1y agoTried codex but so far feels a lot slower than claude code. Perhaps because I'm on the basic plan?
- m_mueller 1y agoGPT-5 is pretty decent nowadays, but Claude 4 Sonnet is superior in most cases. GPT beats it in cost and usable context window when something quite complex comes up to plan top-down.
- boredtofears 1y agoWhat I find interesting is how much opinions vary on this. Open a different thread and people will seem to have consensus on GPT or Gemini being superior. Even the bench marks don’t seem all that helpful.
- daft_pink 1y agoThis needs that archive link that bypasses the paywall. I had to read it on my Apple News+ subscription to avoid the paywall.
- bgarbiak 1y agohttps://archive.is/hO6YV https://archive.is/hO6YV
- daft_pink 1y agoThanks. Do I just enter the url into the top in this website to generate myself for future items?
- cwkirchner 1y agoYou can enter URLs at the top of archive.is (or archive.ph) to see the archived version. Alternatively, there's a bookmarklet that you can use for archive.ph. https://mattdeco.github.io/archive-bookmarklet/ https://mattdeco.github.io/archive-bookmarklet/
- glimshe 1y agoAnthropic doesn't allow me to use my phone number across my personal and business logins. I simply can't use Claude where I need it, even if I'm willing to pay. I don't understand why they add so much friction when everyone else just allows me to do work.
- raldi 1y agoWhen was the last time you tried?
- electric_muse 1y agoThis whole “real phone number is your access code to every service” trend is really frustrating. I had the same experience recently with: - Ticketmaster - Docusign - Vercel Probably a handful more I forgot. I believe the main reason is because it prevents fraud. But I see a deeper motive that phone numbers are more friction to change and therefore our “real” numbers become hard-to-change identity codes that can easily be used to pull tons of info about you. You give them that number and they immediately can look up your name, addresses, age, and tons of other mined info that was connected to you. Probably credit score, household income, etc. Phone numbers have tons of “metadata” you provide without really knowing it. Like how the Exif data in a photo may reveal a lot about your location and device.
- derekdahmer 1y agoAs someone who implemented phone verification at a company I worked for, it’s 100% for preventing spam signups intending to abuse free tiers. API companies can get huge volumes of fake signups from “multiplexers” who get around free tier limits by spreading their requests across multiple accounts.
- ChrisArchitect 1y agoActual post: https://code.visualstudio.com/blogs/2025/09/15/autoModelSelection https://code.visualstudio.com/blogs/2025/09/15/autoModelSele...
- bartalama 1y agoClaude Sonnet 4 is the best for generating code for me so far, albeit needing some investment in instruction files and prompt files when using GitHub Copilot.
- dawnerd 1y agoAuto feels like a way for them to slightly push people towards paid models more. If they really favored Anthropic, claude would be the included free model, right?
- mynameisvlad 1y agoOn their roadmap (it's in the linked blog post https://code.visualstudio.com/blogs/2025/09/15/autoModelSelection https://code.visualstudio.com/blogs/2025/09/15/autoModelSele...): > Let users on a free plan take advantage of the latest models through auto It also describes how the auto selector works in more detail: > When using auto model selection, VS Code uses a variable model multiplier based on the automatically selected model. If you are a paid user, auto applies a 10% request discount. For example, if auto selects Sonnet 4, it will be counted as 0.9x of a premium request; if auto selects GPT-5-mini, this counts as 0x because the model is included for paid users. You can see which model and model multiplier are used by hovering over the chat response.
- YmiYugy 1y agoPersonally I found gpt-5 to be a bit better than sonnet-4. At least in cursor. Claude is still more reliable and competent at tool calling, but I found gpt-5 to be better in token efficiency and a lot better at instruction following.
- kranke155 1y agoThis seems to change every 6 months? Just my impression.
- compacct27 1y agoOr less!
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- cwyers 1y agoThis is Microsoft subsidizing Claude inference costs -- if you look at how they charge models against your allotment, Gemini, GPT-5 and Claude 4 Sonnet all cost the same, despite Claude 4 Sonnet being more expensive than the other two. Not really sure I understand the economics here, especially since there's not really a clear winner between GPT-5 and Claude 4 Sonnet for coding (if anything I think GPT-5 puts up a better showing).
- mattalex 1y agoIt might be that they pay less for anthropic depending how many tokens are generated by each model: total cost is token cost times number of tokens. I haven't checked gpt5, but it is not impossible that price wise they might be very comparable if you account for reasoning tokens used.
- poslathian 1y agoIs it possible that regardless of what they pay they think Anthropic is negative margin on it?
- martinald 1y ago"Sonnet being more expensive than the other two" -> you mean based on public pricing? Microsoft will not be paying retail prices for this.
- cwyers 1y agoI'm sure they don't pay retail on GPT-5 either.
- drewbitt 1y ago> I think GPT-5 puts up a better showing Would the more casual Copilot audience be OK with gpt-5-high - the model that many say is better than Sonnet - taking significantly longer to respond? Potentially minutes longer. A faster model can make sense as a default
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- dev1ycan 1y agoI use deepseek on the daily, the other day I tried to use claude and was surprised when after like 5 messages (had decent amount of code though) I got "limited"
- alberth 1y agoEmbarrassingly dumb question ... is Claude Code just a plug-in for an existing editor. Or it is the entire editor itself?
- never_inline 1y agowww.google.com
- theshrike79 1y agoClaude Code is a CLI tool with light integration with VS Code
- andrewstuart 1y agoChatGPT seems to be really good at analysis but continues to be bad at coding. It constantly loses existing code. It the end of an intense coding session you’ll find your 20 feature application now has 3 features. That alone makes it not worth using. I can’t be bothered constantly working to identify and prevent losing existing features. It is however very powerful for doing debugging and diagnostics with throwaway code. It’s also useful to analyse stuff with ChatGPT and give that to Gemini or Claude to do the coding.
- starstripe 1y agoDoesn't Microsoft own a lot of OpenAI? Did they sell?
- aksss 1y agoI have to say I prefer Claude for code and diagnosis. ChatGPT in CoPilot often replies with essentially, "these are the things I would be looking at if I wanted to troubleshoot this", to which my muttering frustration is, "yeah obviously - no sht - now do it.", whereas Claude just does it (e.g. looks through the code, provides analysis as to where the problem is or the nature of the problem, and returns a practical and immediately useful response). You could say that's a prompting problem (and you'd be right) but if Claude is lower drag than ChatGPT in this context and others, that's a value proposition. However, I really do* prefer ChatGPT for generalized but as-applied conversation about architecture decisions, pros/cons of different approaches, patterns. Claude can do this too, but I do prefer ChatGPT for this.
- frabonacci 1y agoMicrosoft has a dozen vertical Copilots to build, so picking the model with the best capability today makes sense. If Claude Code is stronger for dev productivity, using it in VS Code just raises the bar for everything else they ship
- Fairburn 1y agoo.0 interesting.