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I say this because I do care about you and your continued existence. When the October attack happened, much of the west outpoured grief and empathy for Israel.
by ben_w 1y ago
I say this because I do care about you and your continued existence.
When the October attack happened, much of the west outpoured grief and empathy for Israel.
I knew then what was coming, because I have seen it before, just over two decades ago: that attack hurt Israel more, proportionally, than 9/11 hurt the USA. You, personally, are burning with pain and anger today, it is natural and human if you don't even want to hear a single word that would humanise the Other.
And yet, you are wrong: this is not, and never was, an existential threat to Israel, and that's why Europe is doing things to hold Israel back in Palestine while still supporting Israel against Iran.
To be human is to strike out in anger and vengeance and also look back in shame a generation later when your kids show you today's newspapers and say "you knew". I know why it feels existential, history is replete with examples, but Israel is simply much stronger than Hamas ever was, even with the external support that Hamas gets that in turn makes it entirely justifiable for Israel to totally blockade Palestine (or would, if enough food was getting through).
It took the USA more than a decade to get out of their own way with 9/11, it would be unreasonable to see Israel's national psyche do so any faster.
Just as with the Taliban in the USA, all of Hamas are to the nation of Israel as a few angry wasps are to a picnic: when they sting, they hurt, and you may come up in welts, but it would take hundreds or thousands of them to meaningfully injure their target.
Europe doesn't want Israel to become the same monsters that killed so many millions just on the edge of living memory. Well, most of us don't, at least; it was a sad and slow realisation that plenty of people who give no shits about the Palestinians will still cry crocodile tears for them if it means hurting Israel.
Unfortunately for Israel, some of the latter group are gaining power in the USA, and if the USA becomes Israel's last ally… well, that has potential to become genuinely existential.
- machina_ex_deus 1y agoTell my friend whose both parents were murdered in Nir Oz that Hamas isn't an existential threat. Hamas is an existential threat. We cannot live in peace while it exists. We're done tolerating Palestinian aggression. Hamas wasn't an existential threat when it was just rockets, but once they've crossed the border and assaulted our cities where we live they became an existential threat we cannot allow, even if the world screams genocide as we destroy them. We're not here to win the victimhood competition. This isn't 9/11 where the U.S living peacefully wasn't threatened. If we don't eradicate this threat our cities will be assaulted again. We're here to live in peace, and if that means eradicating hamas while there are heavy Palestinian casualties, so be it. That's the only option for us to live in peace. This is an existential war for Israel. There are relatively few casualties compared with what would've happened if Israel actually decided to genocide the Palestinians. We could've killed them all if we wanted, but we only fight Hamas as we must do. Eradicating Hamas is a daunting task. We're actually fighting selectively at the cost of our soldiers lives. If the intention was genocide the Palestinians would've been dead by now. The intention is to destroy Hamas at minimum causalities.
- the_gipsy 1y ago> If the intention was genocide the Palestinians would've been dead by now. The intention is to destroy Hamas at minimum causalities. It is a genocide, no matter how much rhetoric you spew. Actions speak more than words.
- 1oooqooq 1y agoi think you're just spewing what you heard on the media and don't really have friends in nir oz. in fact don't think you have many friends. if you really had friends in nir oz, i apologize for the wrong assumption and in sorry for the loss. but then you would know exactly why hamas exist as it is territory taken in 48.