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Any actual interesting changes under the hood other than UI changes? I cant remember the last time macOS release that actually brings any useful feature I use.

by ksec 1y ago

cosmic_cheese 1y ago
Spotlight got a major upgrade. It’s notably faster and deeply integrates with Shortcuts (letting you specify input variables, for example) among other things.
- pants2 1y ago
  Anyone using Raycast has had these features forever. Nice to see some attention on Spotlight but it's still nowhere close to the functionality you get from Raycast.
  - cosmic_cheese 1y ago
    Raycast is interesting but I’m not going to touch it so long as VC funding is involved. Alfred has been doing the job well enough, only requires me to buy a new version a couple times per decade, and isn’t going to become enshittified because there’s no VCs to come knocking looking for a profit.
    - treetalker 1y ago
      +1 for Alfred. I'm a proud Power Pack / lifetime-license holder from the beginning. Very few outfits anymore have the chops to both offer and make good on a single-payment, long-lasting product with frequent and excellent substantive updates. Mad props and three cheers for the Alfred team!
      - cosmic_cheese 1y ago
        It’s insanely tiny and efficient for what it does, too. One of the only apps that’s so small that updates are done downloading within a second or two of clicking “Download”, even on a mediocre connection!
  - nozzlegear 1y ago
    I've been using Raycast for a couple months but I'm hoping I can uninstall it if Spotlight is responsive enough in Tahoe. What bothers me about Raycast is the monthly subscription for certain features. I don't mind paying for Mac software – I'm quite happy to do that – but I do mind paying monthly subscriptions for Mac software with seemingly no justification for it (i.e. what monthly resources does running a "window command" use on Raycast that justifies locking it behind a monthly subscription?)
    - pants2 1y ago
      What's the window command? I'm able to use things like "Top Left Sixth" on the free plain. AFAIK you only the pro for the AI features.
      - nozzlegear 1y ago
        I thought Pro was only for AI features as well (that's what it said when I installed Raycast), but this dialog is saying Pro is required for custom window layouts as well. I only discovered this today when I was trying to create a new command to paste the screenshot from my clipboard into Preview for OCR. https://imgur.com/a/6OeqJYQ https://imgur.com/a/6OeqJYQ
        theshrike79 1y ago
        I wrote my own window management with Hammerspoon, mostly duplicating what Rectangle et al do, but with specific tweaks just for me. The most useful feature is the fact it uses my display layout + wifi name to figure out where I am and adjusts window locations accordingly.
  - timeon 1y ago
    Sure and QuickSilver had it even earlier. But it is nice that one can finally extend Spotlight with Services ehm I mean Shortcuts.
- daveidol 1y ago
  I'm curious if it will get me to stop using Alfred
  - unsnap_biceps 1y ago
    Alfred leverages the spotlight indexes, so Alfred will also get the speed up
- lukasb 1y ago
  Can it find my files now?
  - jpease 1y ago
    At a minimum, it can not find them faster!
- rick_dalton 1y ago
  I actually preferred the pre-tahoe spotlight. The information density was higher and while it did not always give me the most relevant result atleast it was consistent and I could scroll down to find it. New spotlight is less dense and jumbles everything together.
- chatmasta 1y ago
  I’ve got Spotlight configured to index nothing but my applications (which is surprisingly difficult to configure and breaks with every major OS upgrade). Disabling all its default indexing has alleviated 95% of unexplainable CPU spikes and autocomplete pollution, so now I can finally use it for what it’s meant to be: the most overengineered fuzzy finder application launcher.
- airstrike 1y ago
  Does "BetterDiscord" still show up as the first choice after you type "Disc"?
  - blahgeek 1y ago
    What’s wrong about this?
    - airstrike 1y ago
      "starts with" > "contains"
  - leakycap 1y ago
    I'm the solo user of my device & have rarely if ever launched Photos or Photo Booth, but I launch Photoshop a handful of times everytime I work. For the last few years, it is a total gamble of what Spotlight's first suggestion will be when I trigger it and type "Pho" Often, Photos.app Weirdly, about once a week, Photo Booth.app 80% of the time, it correctly guesses Photoshop.app So I can't just trigger spotlight, type "pho", and hit return. I have to wait for Spotlight's guess, sometimes arrow to Photoshop, or sometimes just hit enter when it guesses correctly. So many macOS microFrustrations like this, and now Tahoe looks like it does.
- kemayo 1y ago
  Even more importantly: there's a clipboard manager built into it now.
tiltowait 1y ago
Native container support is pretty exciting.
- riffic 1y ago
  Linux containers, not Darwin containers.
- w10-1 1y ago
  ICYMI: Apple's new native containers start in ~100ms and have better security. I updated to Tahoe just for this. And it's open-source: https://github.com/apple/container https://github.com/apple/container It's not really supported before Tahoe, presumably due to required hypervisor support.
  - waz0wski 1y ago
    Interesting to see this utilizes kata-containers project alongside virtualization.framework. Cool project. https://github.com/kata-containers/kata-containers/ https://github.com/kata-containers/kata-containers/
- mattgreenrocks 1y ago
  Does this mean I can dump Docker Desktop for good?
ryandrake 1y ago
It's been so long since Apple has released anything in either iOS or macOS that excited me as a user. I don't seem to be their target customer anymore. The only reason I even have to "upgrade" to a higher version number is how quickly app developers (including Apple themselves) drop support for older OS's. My iPhone which is stuck on iOS 15 runs just as well as the day I bought it, but every other app I download tells me (in essence) "LOL your phone is too old and our developers are too lazy to keep our software running on it. Upgrade your OS or get lost loser". That's literally the only thing motivating me to upgrade anymore: The treadmill of software compatibility. Apple doesn't have to innovate--they just need to make sure the ecosystem is broken after ~5-10 years or so.
- mrweasel 1y ago
  Isn't that true for pretty much every OS? The feature set we need to be able to do our jobs and computing hobbies have been available for two decades. Operating systems like Debian is sufficiently boring that I can just upgrade and continue computing. macOS upgrades have become a small gamble, the stuff that I depend on may not continue to work, or at least it will take a good deal of work. There are however no reason to upgrade, so the risk isn't really worth the hassle of upgrading and breaking Java or Python.
  - ryandrake 1y ago
    You can still get software that installs and works perfectly on Windows 7 (released 16 years ago). Good luck finding software that even installs on Snow Leopard (released 16 years ago), let alone works well.
    - cosmic_cheese 1y ago
      The flip side of this is that every attempt at advancing the Windows UI framework story beyond win32/MFC and WPF has failed and the platform itself is steeped neck deep in technical debt.
      - 1y ago
elpakal 1y ago
The on-device foundation models framework is interesting to me. So far the responses have not been good but the potential is appealing.
NaomiLehman 1y ago
I was in Beta since Beta 2, and I saw massive improvement in energy efficiency on my MacBook Air M2 and Pro Max M4
dylan604 1y ago
The fact that so much of the page is devoted to this liquid glass feature pretty much tells you the answer is no. Plus the fact that the "And so much more" section lists 10 different updates in the same space as their poster with a link to a PDF instead of building out a larger webpage speaks volumes.
Bondi_Blue 1y ago
- Apple Sparse Image Format allows you to create virtualized disk images with a virtualized file format that can be formatted to any kind of file - Terminal.app now supports 24-bit color and powerline glyphs - Vehicle Motion Cues to reduce motion-sickness when in a moving vehicle
- rcarmo 1y ago
  Good catch on the terminal. I missed that, and it might get me off Ghostty (I prefer to have less apps installed in general).
- FBISurveillance 1y ago
  I have 5000+ git repos locally that I grep through regularly and I have to admit my hopes for ASIF being faster were busted. It is faster than sparsebundle, but nowhere near native, unfortunately.
alana314 1y ago
TextEdit has a styling toolbar now which I appreciate. The new spotlight has more functionality and seems faster (and less likely to pull up a website instead of the app I'm trying to launch)

Any actual interesting changes under the hood other than UI changes? I cant remember the last time macOS release that actually brings any useful feature I use.

by ksec 1y ago

Any actual interesting changes under the hood other than UI changes? I cant remember the last time macOS release that actually brings any useful feature I use.

cosmic_cheese 1y ago

Spotlight got a major upgrade. It’s notably faster and deeply integrates with Shortcuts (letting you specify input variables, for example) among other things.

pants2 1y ago
Anyone using Raycast has had these features forever. Nice to see some attention on Spotlight but it's still nowhere close to the functionality you get from Raycast.
- cosmic_cheese 1y ago
  Raycast is interesting but I’m not going to touch it so long as VC funding is involved. Alfred has been doing the job well enough, only requires me to buy a new version a couple times per decade, and isn’t going to become enshittified because there’s no VCs to come knocking looking for a profit.
  - treetalker 1y ago
    +1 for Alfred. I'm a proud Power Pack / lifetime-license holder from the beginning. Very few outfits anymore have the chops to both offer and make good on a single-payment, long-lasting product with frequent and excellent substantive updates. Mad props and three cheers for the Alfred team!
    - cosmic_cheese 1y ago
      It’s insanely tiny and efficient for what it does, too. One of the only apps that’s so small that updates are done downloading within a second or two of clicking “Download”, even on a mediocre connection!
- nozzlegear 1y ago
  I've been using Raycast for a couple months but I'm hoping I can uninstall it if Spotlight is responsive enough in Tahoe. What bothers me about Raycast is the monthly subscription for certain features. I don't mind paying for Mac software – I'm quite happy to do that – but I do mind paying monthly subscriptions for Mac software with seemingly no justification for it (i.e. what monthly resources does running a "window command" use on Raycast that justifies locking it behind a monthly subscription?)
  - pants2 1y ago
    What's the window command? I'm able to use things like "Top Left Sixth" on the free plain. AFAIK you only the pro for the AI features.
    - nozzlegear 1y ago
      I thought Pro was only for AI features as well (that's what it said when I installed Raycast), but this dialog is saying Pro is required for custom window layouts as well. I only discovered this today when I was trying to create a new command to paste the screenshot from my clipboard into Preview for OCR. https://imgur.com/a/6OeqJYQ https://imgur.com/a/6OeqJYQ
      - theshrike79 1y ago
        I wrote my own window management with Hammerspoon, mostly duplicating what Rectangle et al do, but with specific tweaks just for me. The most useful feature is the fact it uses my display layout + wifi name to figure out where I am and adjusts window locations accordingly.
- timeon 1y ago
  Sure and QuickSilver had it even earlier. But it is nice that one can finally extend Spotlight with Services ehm I mean Shortcuts.
daveidol 1y ago
I'm curious if it will get me to stop using Alfred
- unsnap_biceps 1y ago
  Alfred leverages the spotlight indexes, so Alfred will also get the speed up
lukasb 1y ago
Can it find my files now?
- jpease 1y ago
  At a minimum, it can not find them faster!
rick_dalton 1y ago
I actually preferred the pre-tahoe spotlight. The information density was higher and while it did not always give me the most relevant result atleast it was consistent and I could scroll down to find it. New spotlight is less dense and jumbles everything together.
chatmasta 1y ago
I’ve got Spotlight configured to index nothing but my applications (which is surprisingly difficult to configure and breaks with every major OS upgrade). Disabling all its default indexing has alleviated 95% of unexplainable CPU spikes and autocomplete pollution, so now I can finally use it for what it’s meant to be: the most overengineered fuzzy finder application launcher.
airstrike 1y ago
Does "BetterDiscord" still show up as the first choice after you type "Disc"?
- blahgeek 1y ago
  What’s wrong about this?
  - airstrike 1y ago
    "starts with" > "contains"
- leakycap 1y ago
  I'm the solo user of my device & have rarely if ever launched Photos or Photo Booth, but I launch Photoshop a handful of times everytime I work. For the last few years, it is a total gamble of what Spotlight's first suggestion will be when I trigger it and type "Pho" Often, Photos.app Weirdly, about once a week, Photo Booth.app 80% of the time, it correctly guesses Photoshop.app So I can't just trigger spotlight, type "pho", and hit return. I have to wait for Spotlight's guess, sometimes arrow to Photoshop, or sometimes just hit enter when it guesses correctly. So many macOS microFrustrations like this, and now Tahoe looks like it does.
kemayo 1y ago
Even more importantly: there's a clipboard manager built into it now.

tiltowait 1y ago

Native container support is pretty exciting.

riffic 1y ago
Linux containers, not Darwin containers.
w10-1 1y ago
ICYMI: Apple's new native containers start in ~100ms and have better security. I updated to Tahoe just for this. And it's open-source: https://github.com/apple/container https://github.com/apple/container It's not really supported before Tahoe, presumably due to required hypervisor support.
- waz0wski 1y ago
  Interesting to see this utilizes kata-containers project alongside virtualization.framework. Cool project. https://github.com/kata-containers/kata-containers/ https://github.com/kata-containers/kata-containers/
mattgreenrocks 1y ago
Does this mean I can dump Docker Desktop for good?

ryandrake 1y ago

It's been so long since Apple has released anything in either iOS or macOS that excited me as a user. I don't seem to be their target customer anymore. The only reason I even have to "upgrade" to a higher version number is how quickly app developers (including Apple themselves) drop support for older OS's. My iPhone which is stuck on iOS 15 runs just as well as the day I bought it, but every other app I download tells me (in essence) "LOL your phone is too old and our developers are too lazy to keep our software running on it. Upgrade your OS or get lost loser". That's literally the only thing motivating me to upgrade anymore: The treadmill of software compatibility. Apple doesn't have to innovate--they just need to make sure the ecosystem is broken after ~5-10 years or so.

mrweasel 1y ago
Isn't that true for pretty much every OS? The feature set we need to be able to do our jobs and computing hobbies have been available for two decades. Operating systems like Debian is sufficiently boring that I can just upgrade and continue computing. macOS upgrades have become a small gamble, the stuff that I depend on may not continue to work, or at least it will take a good deal of work. There are however no reason to upgrade, so the risk isn't really worth the hassle of upgrading and breaking Java or Python.
- ryandrake 1y ago
  You can still get software that installs and works perfectly on Windows 7 (released 16 years ago). Good luck finding software that even installs on Snow Leopard (released 16 years ago), let alone works well.
  - cosmic_cheese 1y ago
    The flip side of this is that every attempt at advancing the Windows UI framework story beyond win32/MFC and WPF has failed and the platform itself is steeped neck deep in technical debt.
    - 1y ago

elpakal 1y ago

The on-device foundation models framework is interesting to me. So far the responses have not been good but the potential is appealing.

NaomiLehman 1y ago

I was in Beta since Beta 2, and I saw massive improvement in energy efficiency on my MacBook Air M2 and Pro Max M4

dylan604 1y ago

The fact that so much of the page is devoted to this liquid glass feature pretty much tells you the answer is no. Plus the fact that the "And so much more" section lists 10 different updates in the same space as their poster with a link to a PDF instead of building out a larger webpage speaks volumes.

Bondi_Blue 1y ago

- Apple Sparse Image Format allows you to create virtualized disk images with a virtualized file format that can be formatted to any kind of file - Terminal.app now supports 24-bit color and powerline glyphs - Vehicle Motion Cues to reduce motion-sickness when in a moving vehicle

rcarmo 1y ago
Good catch on the terminal. I missed that, and it might get me off Ghostty (I prefer to have less apps installed in general).
FBISurveillance 1y ago
I have 5000+ git repos locally that I grep through regularly and I have to admit my hopes for ASIF being faster were busted. It is faster than sparsebundle, but nowhere near native, unfortunately.

alana314 1y ago

TextEdit has a styling toolbar now which I appreciate. The new spotlight has more functionality and seems faster (and less likely to pull up a website instead of the app I'm trying to launch)