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As an everyday person, you can continue to use YouTube to discover and consume content. It's more like, if you find a maker of content that you like, they migh

As an everyday person, you can continue to use YouTube to discover and consume content. It's more like, if you find a maker of content that you like, they might happen to have a PeerTube or other independent YouTube-like site up as well, as a backup or larger archive of their material. The independently hosted FOSS alternatives are more for people who create content and don't want to or can't depend on the good graces of bigtech to indefinitely host their content for whatever reason (usually a practical matter, sometimes even underlying political factors). For instance, YouTube will scan new content automatically and zap the channel if it says the wrong couple words more than a few times. Maybe that's not a problem for a lot of channels. But there were definitely tons of creators who got burned by that kind of cancelling over the last n years. So I imagine, yes, some entrepreneurial, technical, and communication-oriented folks would be interested in things like PeerTube, YouPHPTube (which is actually quite good) [1], etc. [1] https://youphp.tube https://youphp.tube

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bruffen 1y ago
FYI: Us humans call it "watch videos", not "consume content".
- dudefeliciano 1y ago
  you made an account 1 hour ago to post 2 snarky comments? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - bruffen 1y ago
    I make a new account every few days or so, however long it takes for the previous one to be shadow banned. It's not a big deal.
  - trinsic2 1y ago
    I agree with him. The whole, "consume content" phrase has a subtle effect of making us int mindless consumers rather than freedom choice thinkers. People need to stop drinking the consumer market koolaid.
    - dudefeliciano 1y ago
      i dislike the phrase too but the tone of the comment was pretty shitty, apart from being off topic. Also to think that it's the phrase "consume content" making us mindless consumer seems way off to me. What would you call most of the videos on youtube/tiktok/instagram? Art, Documentaries, Didactic aid? Perhaps "content" is the best way to refer to them.
      - bediger4000 1y ago
        "Videos" seems appropriate.
    - bediger4000 1y ago
      That's another good objection, next to lumping all stuff into one category: some creative output is "content", not writing, or video, or spoken word, or painting, or acting or even "merch", it's all "content". Calling every item sold, from toothpaste to iron pipe to dump trucks "product" is the same: disrespectful of the thought and effort and craft that go in to making ping pong balls or airplanes. It's an MBA's way of denigrating everything not presentable in a PowerPoint.
SilverElfin 1y ago
> For instance, YouTube will scan new content automatically and zap the channel if it says the wrong couple words more than a few times. This type of censorship is why I think decentralized video is important. But if it isn’t accessible to everyday people there will be low views and it hurts the availability of censored content.
portaouflop 1y ago
Whenever I look at PeerTube there is basically no high quality stuff on it - i look through it for 5-10 minutes and it’s all bad. To me it’s so far removed from what YouTube is i find it hard to compare the two - it might market itself as an alternative but I don’t see how that can be
- vintermann 1y ago
  We have to distinguish delivery and discovery. Any competing video platform will have a very skewed selection of content at the start, biased towards stuff YouTube doesn't want to show its users, and in most cases, with good reason (i.e, stuff the users wouldn't want to see). Any kind of popularity-on-the-platform based filtrering will also not work, due to this skew.
  - balamatom 1y ago
    yes! i think we also need to keep reminding people that discovery is not an euphemism for advertisement. and if they expect it to be this passive, detached process of being told what the good shit is and then fed it, then they're part of the problem. i've had good experiences with discovery on decentralized platforms. it's proceeded by means totally unlike advertisement, hmm, i wonder if anyone remembers what those were? what i find funnier is how the platforms that have actual content hate crypto, and the platforms that have crypto ... i'm not sure if they even remember what "content" was. that ain't a way to starve youtubers, it's the exact opposite. shame.
    - jbm 1y ago
      This is nice but I have zero idea how I can surface interesting or useful videos. The search function on PeerTube doesn't give me anything useful for my topics of interest. As a result, I wind up wasting hours and I simply do not have that time.
      - vintermann 1y ago
        I'm basically saying, you can't rely on on-platform discovery. You'll have to find the links to good stuff on peertube somewhere else than peertube - anywhere else. It could even be here. Or to take it from the other perspective, if you make videos on Peertube you need to give people some way different than doomscrolling/built in search to find your stuff.

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bruffen 1y ago

FYI: Us humans call it "watch videos", not "consume content".

dudefeliciano 1y ago
you made an account 1 hour ago to post 2 snarky comments? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- bruffen 1y ago
  I make a new account every few days or so, however long it takes for the previous one to be shadow banned. It's not a big deal.
- trinsic2 1y ago
  I agree with him. The whole, "consume content" phrase has a subtle effect of making us int mindless consumers rather than freedom choice thinkers. People need to stop drinking the consumer market koolaid.
  - dudefeliciano 1y ago
    i dislike the phrase too but the tone of the comment was pretty shitty, apart from being off topic. Also to think that it's the phrase "consume content" making us mindless consumer seems way off to me. What would you call most of the videos on youtube/tiktok/instagram? Art, Documentaries, Didactic aid? Perhaps "content" is the best way to refer to them.
    - bediger4000 1y ago
      "Videos" seems appropriate.
  - bediger4000 1y ago
    That's another good objection, next to lumping all stuff into one category: some creative output is "content", not writing, or video, or spoken word, or painting, or acting or even "merch", it's all "content". Calling every item sold, from toothpaste to iron pipe to dump trucks "product" is the same: disrespectful of the thought and effort and craft that go in to making ping pong balls or airplanes. It's an MBA's way of denigrating everything not presentable in a PowerPoint.

SilverElfin 1y ago

> For instance, YouTube will scan new content automatically and zap the channel if it says the wrong couple words more than a few times. This type of censorship is why I think decentralized video is important. But if it isn’t accessible to everyday people there will be low views and it hurts the availability of censored content.

portaouflop 1y ago

Whenever I look at PeerTube there is basically no high quality stuff on it - i look through it for 5-10 minutes and it’s all bad. To me it’s so far removed from what YouTube is i find it hard to compare the two - it might market itself as an alternative but I don’t see how that can be

vintermann 1y ago
We have to distinguish delivery and discovery. Any competing video platform will have a very skewed selection of content at the start, biased towards stuff YouTube doesn't want to show its users, and in most cases, with good reason (i.e, stuff the users wouldn't want to see). Any kind of popularity-on-the-platform based filtrering will also not work, due to this skew.
- balamatom 1y ago
  yes! i think we also need to keep reminding people that discovery is not an euphemism for advertisement. and if they expect it to be this passive, detached process of being told what the good shit is and then fed it, then they're part of the problem. i've had good experiences with discovery on decentralized platforms. it's proceeded by means totally unlike advertisement, hmm, i wonder if anyone remembers what those were? what i find funnier is how the platforms that have actual content hate crypto, and the platforms that have crypto ... i'm not sure if they even remember what "content" was. that ain't a way to starve youtubers, it's the exact opposite. shame.
  - jbm 1y ago
    This is nice but I have zero idea how I can surface interesting or useful videos. The search function on PeerTube doesn't give me anything useful for my topics of interest. As a result, I wind up wasting hours and I simply do not have that time.
    - vintermann 1y ago
      I'm basically saying, you can't rely on on-platform discovery. You'll have to find the links to good stuff on peertube somewhere else than peertube - anywhere else. It could even be here. Or to take it from the other perspective, if you make videos on Peertube you need to give people some way different than doomscrolling/built in search to find your stuff.