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And what purity tests are those?

by adrr 1y ago

recursive 1y ago
Probably the identity politics stuff if I had to guess.
- flkiwi 1y ago
  Identity politics. Rejecting identity politics for economic justice. Rejecting economic justice for economic revolution. It goes on and on. There are so many overlapping and contradictory purity tests among the various branches of the left, that meaningful opposition from the left is more of a coincidence than anything one can plan for.
  - adrr 1y ago
    Name a purity test. Stop dancing around the question.
    - flkiwi 1y ago
      Name a meaningful victory of the American left's approach in the last 25 years. Stop dancing around the question.
      - deleted 1y ago
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      - adrr 1y ago
        The conservative masquerading as an independent blaming the left for fake issues of why as you can't support them. Trope is as old as time. Strongest economies are from blue states. Poorest are red states. Same with crime. Health out comes(Life expectancy, infant. mortality). Who was the only president to run a surplus in recent history.
        flkiwi 1y ago
        Ha, I'm neither conservative nor independent nor particularly moderate. I'm firmly, vigorously left in ideology. It's delightful that your conclusion upon receiving criticism of the left's approach is that the speaker must be a conservative. Thank you for illustrating the purity test issue! Anyway, instead of being dedicated to achieving change, the American left CONSTANTLY gets distracted, e.g., complaining about those successful Democratic presidents (or candidates) who drive meaningful change as "incrementalist", "too moderate", or, my absolute favorite, "liberal" as if the European use of the word has ever mapped to the American use. I've even seen people on the left criticize AOC for selling out, when what she is doing is practicing effective politics.
    - recursive 1y ago
      This is a setup to fail a purity test. We'll skip the formalities and you can just preemptively consider this a failure.
tyleo 1y ago
A visible example is the ACLU questionnaire which covers support for transgender medical care with state resources for detained immigrants. Harris’s written support was turned into an ad campaign for Trump. You can agree or disagree with the policy but it isn’t a great hill to die on if you want to win elections. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/harris-gender-surgeries-jail/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/harris-gender-surgeries-ja...
- hiddencost 1y ago
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- SamoyedFurFluff 1y ago
  Frankly it read to me more like Harris had a totally moderate response that was blown up by the right as something she is a die hard believer in. No one is dying on the hill of trans rights except for trans people as far as I see on the political stage. Republicans talk way more about trans people than democrats. Republicans pass way more laws about trans people than democrats. Republicans raise way more money on trans people than democrats. Democrats literally don’t seem to stand for anything as a unified force: government shutdowns over roe v wade overturn, start reading Epstein files into congressional record, refuse to cooperate with a single republican bill until they get some red meat for their base. I haven’t really seen anything and I’m not even particularly leftist. I just can’t imagine a single time democrats threw a massive shitfest for red meat, but I hear it nonstop in republican spaces.
  - tyleo 1y ago
    I agree that she had a moderate response. I think it appeared that she was dying on the this hill because she didn’t address it in her 2024 campaign yet it received so much air time in Republican ads. I also agree that it feels like Democrats don’t stand for anything. But I think by leaving that space open they let ads like this paint what they stand for.
    - SamoyedFurFluff 1y ago

And what purity tests are those?

by adrr 1y ago

And what purity tests are those?

recursive 1y ago

Probably the identity politics stuff if I had to guess.

flkiwi 1y ago
Identity politics. Rejecting identity politics for economic justice. Rejecting economic justice for economic revolution. It goes on and on. There are so many overlapping and contradictory purity tests among the various branches of the left, that meaningful opposition from the left is more of a coincidence than anything one can plan for.
- adrr 1y ago
  Name a purity test. Stop dancing around the question.
  - flkiwi 1y ago
    Name a meaningful victory of the American left's approach in the last 25 years. Stop dancing around the question.
    - deleted 1y ago
      [deleted]
    - adrr 1y ago
      The conservative masquerading as an independent blaming the left for fake issues of why as you can't support them. Trope is as old as time. Strongest economies are from blue states. Poorest are red states. Same with crime. Health out comes(Life expectancy, infant. mortality). Who was the only president to run a surplus in recent history.
      - flkiwi 1y ago
        Ha, I'm neither conservative nor independent nor particularly moderate. I'm firmly, vigorously left in ideology. It's delightful that your conclusion upon receiving criticism of the left's approach is that the speaker must be a conservative. Thank you for illustrating the purity test issue! Anyway, instead of being dedicated to achieving change, the American left CONSTANTLY gets distracted, e.g., complaining about those successful Democratic presidents (or candidates) who drive meaningful change as "incrementalist", "too moderate", or, my absolute favorite, "liberal" as if the European use of the word has ever mapped to the American use. I've even seen people on the left criticize AOC for selling out, when what she is doing is practicing effective politics.
  - recursive 1y ago
    This is a setup to fail a purity test. We'll skip the formalities and you can just preemptively consider this a failure.

tyleo 1y ago

A visible example is the ACLU questionnaire which covers support for transgender medical care with state resources for detained immigrants. Harris’s written support was turned into an ad campaign for Trump. You can agree or disagree with the policy but it isn’t a great hill to die on if you want to win elections. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/harris-gender-surgeries-jail/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/harris-gender-surgeries-ja...

hiddencost 1y ago
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SamoyedFurFluff 1y ago
Frankly it read to me more like Harris had a totally moderate response that was blown up by the right as something she is a die hard believer in. No one is dying on the hill of trans rights except for trans people as far as I see on the political stage. Republicans talk way more about trans people than democrats. Republicans pass way more laws about trans people than democrats. Republicans raise way more money on trans people than democrats. Democrats literally don’t seem to stand for anything as a unified force: government shutdowns over roe v wade overturn, start reading Epstein files into congressional record, refuse to cooperate with a single republican bill until they get some red meat for their base. I haven’t really seen anything and I’m not even particularly leftist. I just can’t imagine a single time democrats threw a massive shitfest for red meat, but I hear it nonstop in republican spaces.
- tyleo 1y ago
  I agree that she had a moderate response. I think it appeared that she was dying on the this hill because she didn’t address it in her 2024 campaign yet it received so much air time in Republican ads. I also agree that it feels like Democrats don’t stand for anything. But I think by leaving that space open they let ads like this paint what they stand for.
  - SamoyedFurFluff 1y ago