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So this would mean that not only can you not enter the country if you make fun of Charlie Kirk but you now wouldn’t be able to leave as well? It’s very obvious
by mdhb 1y ago
So this would mean that not only can you not enter the country if you make fun of Charlie Kirk but you now wouldn’t be able to leave as well?
It’s very obvious at this point that they are absolutely sure that they aren’t going to be “out of power” any time soon.
- b3ing 1y agoYou’d think they would want people that disagree to leave so they could have more votes in their favor
- mdhb 1y agoI don’t think it’s going to much matter who you vote for moving forward, the results will be the same either way.
- burnt-resistor 1y agoIn the Corporate States of America, it never did. "There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party; and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat. Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier, a bit more corrupt, until recently, and more willing than the Republicans to make small adjustments when the poor, the black, the anti-imperialists get out of hand. But, essentially, there is no difference between the two parties." - Gore Vidal (1975 or before) See also: https://elpidio.org/2025/07/12/the-state-of-the-union-gore-vidal/ https://elpidio.org/2025/07/12/the-state-of-the-union-gore-v... (original: "The State of the Union" May Day, May 1, 1975 in Esquire)
- watwut 1y agoThere is huge difference in reality right now and completely assymetric levels of radicalisation.
- burnt-resistor 1y agoYep. There's shit lite and ultra shit where some bet on ultra shit accelerating towards less shit and other believing ultra shit is really a fragrant utopia that smells like roses. Ultra shit really wants permission to start a civil war purge while shit lite is worried about magazine capacity and the "scary look" of forward grips while a flood of diarrhea is already ankle-deep.
- bigbadfeline 1y ago> There is huge difference in reality right now Let's not confuse "huge differences" with huge emotional polarization over "small adjustments". Even on ICE tactics there aren't huge differences in method between Biden's and Trump's admins. The scales are different but the methods are the same, "administrative warrants" were upheld by SCOTUS and were/are used by both admins - as recently explained by IL Gov. Pritzker (D) on Jon Stewart's show. > and completely asymmetric levels of radicalization. I don't keep exacts stats but the numbers of politically-motivated murders seem to be very similar for both sides - it's a good argument in favor of rather symmetric levels of radicalization.
- erxam 1y agoSee, that's the fun part. They're both equally as radicalized. They're just playing different roles. One side are the enforcers and the other side are the enablers. They agree 100% on what they're doing, they just don't agree on how they're doing it. But they both have been doing it for a long time now, it just so happens to have mostly been heaped upon those who do you not consider human. This is just the chickens coming home to roost.
- krapp 1y agoThey want people that disagree to stay so that an example can be made of them. The people who voted them the regime into office want to see those people suffer.
- mattnewton 1y agoThey are just reaching for punishments that they think will stick. Removing someone’s citizenship for speech is too far outside of the overton window right now. But perhaps they can persecute political opponents this way. It’s a game of inches over many years.
- DangitBobby 1y agoWho do you publicly flog or execute if all the bad guys leave of their own accord?
- dzonga 1y agoall signs are pointing to this - that these guys are not willing to be out of power soon. from the white house redecorations, to the trump 2028 hats, to the gerrymandering going on in many states. capture of judiciary, suppression of free speech etc. the 'us' vs 'them' mentality.
- libertine 1y agoIn the end the question is: will democratic institutions hold? I think we won't know the answer until they don't. I think it would be unprecedented in the US, and over the years the red flags have been increasing, so the signs aren't good - but not there yet.
- randrus 1y agoWhat’s your favorite democratic institution? My favorite is separation of powers. Would you say it’s holding?
- libertine 1y agoNo, separation of power isn't in great shape unfortunately. But I don't think it has collapsed yet, or you think it has? Mine is probably free speech, it's also not in a great shape either. But without separation of powers, free speech is quick to crumble into a precarious position.
- disgruntledphd2 1y agoI think rule of law is probably more fundamental. It's important that the powerful are held to account, and that's very difficult without rule of law.
- libertine 1y agoBut if no one enforces the law on the rulling power, the law doesn't work.
- frogperson 1y agoThey can not leave power or they will all br prosecuted. They are all very motivated to work together and remain in power. It cant last forever. Individually they are too selfish, short sighted, and incompetent to rule for long. They might have dreams of a 100 year 4th reich, but its not going to happen.
- cmxch 1y agoTurnabout is fair play when places like Unicorn Riot et al have done the same from the opposite direction.
- vict7 1y agoFalse equivalence. Remind me what political power Unicorn Riot actually possesses compared to the party currently controlling the federal government. Unicorn riot hasn’t “done” anything because they don’t run the government. Statements or actions taken by some fringe group are in no way equivalent to statements and actions taken by the actual government—which is currently being run based on fringe right wing ideology.
- cmxch 1y agoTrue equivalence, not false. They had implicit support from the prior administration and their friendlies. They wouldn’t be touched and the prior administration used Unicorn Riot doxxing data to make adverse decisions against the doxxed individuals. So I continue to maintain that similar actions taken wrt Charlie Kirk are only proper for what Unicorn Riot did to enable harassment. Perhaps it might be a better idea to not allow doxxed data to be used for adverse decisions against people.
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- dp-hackernews 1y ago"Who was Horst Wessel, and why are people comparing Charlie Kirk to him? Within hours of Kirk’s death, opposite ends of the political spectrum invoked the Nazi martyr" https://forward.com/news/768607/horst-wessel-charlie-kirk-nazi/ https://forward.com/news/768607/horst-wessel-charlie-kirk-na...
- watwut 1y ago> While Kirk’s rhetoric was combative — he railed against immigrants, gender ideology and “global elites” — he operated in a democratic system and advocated for civil disagreement. Kirk was openly happy about Pelosi shooting and advocated for a patriot to bail out the shooter. Kirk should not be killed. He also was not someone who advocated civil disagreement or anything like that. He helped to create toxic culture that exists now and did it intentionally. Horst Wessel was killed at time when Germany was nominally a democracy. Nazi took power only later. It was dying democracy, just like the democracy in the USA is dying.
- southwindcg 1y agoPaul Pelosi wasn't shot. He was beaten with a hammer.
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