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> to ensure the AI models are more aligned with human values and preferences. to ensure the AI models are more aligned with Google's values and preferences. F

by rs186 1y ago

> to ensure the AI models are more aligned with human values and preferences. to ensure the AI models are more aligned with Google's values and preferences. FTFY

falcor84 1y ago
I'm a big fan of cyberpunk dystopian fiction, but I still can't quite understand what you're alluding to here. Can you give an example value that google align the AI with that you think isn't a positive human value?
- Ygg2 1y ago
  "Adtech is good. Adblockers are unnatural"
  - smokel 1y ago
    Google Gemini 2.5 Pro actually has a quite nuanced reply when asked to consider this statement, including the following: > "Massive privacy invasion: The core of modern adtech runs on tracking your behavior across different websites and apps. It collects vast amounts of personal data to build a detailed profile about your interests, habits, location, and more, often without your full understanding or consent."
    - Ygg2 1y ago
      You don't boil the frog instantly. You first lobotomize it, by gaining its trust. Then you turn up the heat. See how YouTube went from Ads are optional to Adblockers are immoral.
- ToucanLoucan 1y ago
  Their entire business model? Making search results worse to juice page impressions? Every dark pattern they use to juice subscriptions like every other SaaS company? Brand lock-in for Android? Paying Apple for prominent placement of their search engine in iOS? Anti-competitive practices in the Play store? Taking a massive cut of Play Store revenue from people actually making software?
  - simonw 1y ago
    How does all of that affect the desired outputs for their LLMs?
    - scotty79 1y ago
      You'll see once they figure it out.
      - jondwillis 1y ago
        Or, if they really figure it out, you’ll only feel it.
- watwut 1y ago
  Google likes it when it can show you more ads, it is not positive human value. It does not have to have anything ro do with cyberpunk. Corporations are not people, but if they were people, they would be powerful sociopaths. Their interests and anybody elses interests are not the same.
add-sub-mul-div 1y ago
Yes, and one more tweak: the values of Google or anyone paying Google to deliver their marketing or political messaging.

by rs186 1y ago

> to ensure the AI models are more aligned with human values and preferences. to ensure the AI models are more aligned with Google's values and preferences. FTFY

falcor84 1y ago

I'm a big fan of cyberpunk dystopian fiction, but I still can't quite understand what you're alluding to here. Can you give an example value that google align the AI with that you think isn't a positive human value?

Ygg2 1y ago
"Adtech is good. Adblockers are unnatural"
- smokel 1y ago
  Google Gemini 2.5 Pro actually has a quite nuanced reply when asked to consider this statement, including the following: > "Massive privacy invasion: The core of modern adtech runs on tracking your behavior across different websites and apps. It collects vast amounts of personal data to build a detailed profile about your interests, habits, location, and more, often without your full understanding or consent."
  - Ygg2 1y ago
    You don't boil the frog instantly. You first lobotomize it, by gaining its trust. Then you turn up the heat. See how YouTube went from Ads are optional to Adblockers are immoral.
ToucanLoucan 1y ago
Their entire business model? Making search results worse to juice page impressions? Every dark pattern they use to juice subscriptions like every other SaaS company? Brand lock-in for Android? Paying Apple for prominent placement of their search engine in iOS? Anti-competitive practices in the Play store? Taking a massive cut of Play Store revenue from people actually making software?
- simonw 1y ago
  How does all of that affect the desired outputs for their LLMs?
  - scotty79 1y ago
    You'll see once they figure it out.
    - jondwillis 1y ago
      Or, if they really figure it out, you’ll only feel it.
watwut 1y ago
Google likes it when it can show you more ads, it is not positive human value. It does not have to have anything ro do with cyberpunk. Corporations are not people, but if they were people, they would be powerful sociopaths. Their interests and anybody elses interests are not the same.

add-sub-mul-div 1y ago

Yes, and one more tweak: the values of Google or anyone paying Google to deliver their marketing or political messaging.