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Except many users are already locked into Apple's ecosystem, so they will be very angry.

by amelius 1y ago

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sjiabq 1y ago
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rickdeckard 1y ago
The relevant question for Apple is here: Will those users buy OTHER headphones than Apple then, or still buy Airpods...? From my observation the "properly locked-in" Apple user buys Airpods and mostly replaces them with newer Airpods when needed, because of Apple's artificial advantage in ecosystem interoperability (the exact reason of the dispute with the EU)
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  Yeah but disputes like Apples with the EU can take 10 years to litigate and settle by the time Apple has raked in more billions and crushed more competitors. So they know they can keep stalling and appealing as time works in their favor.
  - rickdeckard 1y ago
    Maybe, but currently it seems that Apple prefers to not "litigate while crushing the competition", but instead "retreat and rally up the userbase". So at least in this aspect the DMA seems to work surprisingly well... I also think there is little for them to litigate at this point, they were exchanging extensively for more than a year on how to reach compliance, then the decision [0] was made. There are also separate procedures for the specification of compliance and investigating (non)compliance. Apple might continue to have a hard time litigating on non-compliance if they co-worked with the EU on the exact expectation of compliance beforehand. https://ec.europa.eu/competition/digital_markets_act/cases/202523/DMA_100204_2073.pdf https://ec.europa.eu/competition/digital_markets_act/cases/2...
rootusrootus 1y ago
What does it mean to be locked in, exactly? I just bought a pair of Shokz headphones and they work perfectly well with my iPhone. I didn't feel like I was forced to buy AirPods.
- bootsmann 1y ago
  The position of the EU (correctly) is that they would work even better if Apple gave them the same level of access to your phone that they award to their own headphones.
  - shuckles 1y ago
    Yes, I definitely want "Shockz" to be able to run background daemons on my phone for proximity pairing and god knows what else a fly by night OEM might want to do. That would make my phone work much, much better.
    - eagleal 1y ago
      But then simply don't install or buy "Shockz" if that's your concern. Apple might be doing the same thing, but you wouldn’t necessarily know it, since their ecosystem is a closed gate.
      - shuckles 1y ago
        I have enough software on my phone that I was forced to install that I know this is argument rests on a false premise of agency.
        bigyabai 1y ago
        That concept is entirely foreign to me, as an Android user. Closest I've come to being "forced" to install anything is when I need a boarding pass, and even then I'll often use a screenshot from my desktop. I can't think of any other mandatory apps on my phone right now.

Except many users are already locked into Apple's ecosystem, so they will be very angry.

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sjiabq 1y ago

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rickdeckard 1y ago

The relevant question for Apple is here: Will those users buy OTHER headphones than Apple then, or still buy Airpods...? From my observation the "properly locked-in" Apple user buys Airpods and mostly replaces them with newer Airpods when needed, because of Apple's artificial advantage in ecosystem interoperability (the exact reason of the dispute with the EU)

FirmwareBurner 1y ago
Yeah but disputes like Apples with the EU can take 10 years to litigate and settle by the time Apple has raked in more billions and crushed more competitors. So they know they can keep stalling and appealing as time works in their favor.
- rickdeckard 1y ago
  Maybe, but currently it seems that Apple prefers to not "litigate while crushing the competition", but instead "retreat and rally up the userbase". So at least in this aspect the DMA seems to work surprisingly well... I also think there is little for them to litigate at this point, they were exchanging extensively for more than a year on how to reach compliance, then the decision [0] was made. There are also separate procedures for the specification of compliance and investigating (non)compliance. Apple might continue to have a hard time litigating on non-compliance if they co-worked with the EU on the exact expectation of compliance beforehand. https://ec.europa.eu/competition/digital_markets_act/cases/202523/DMA_100204_2073.pdf https://ec.europa.eu/competition/digital_markets_act/cases/2...

rootusrootus 1y ago

What does it mean to be locked in, exactly? I just bought a pair of Shokz headphones and they work perfectly well with my iPhone. I didn't feel like I was forced to buy AirPods.

bootsmann 1y ago
The position of the EU (correctly) is that they would work even better if Apple gave them the same level of access to your phone that they award to their own headphones.
- shuckles 1y ago
  Yes, I definitely want "Shockz" to be able to run background daemons on my phone for proximity pairing and god knows what else a fly by night OEM might want to do. That would make my phone work much, much better.
  - eagleal 1y ago
    But then simply don't install or buy "Shockz" if that's your concern. Apple might be doing the same thing, but you wouldn’t necessarily know it, since their ecosystem is a closed gate.
    - shuckles 1y ago
      I have enough software on my phone that I was forced to install that I know this is argument rests on a false premise of agency.
      - bigyabai 1y ago
        That concept is entirely foreign to me, as an Android user. Closest I've come to being "forced" to install anything is when I need a boarding pass, and even then I'll often use a screenshot from my desktop. I can't think of any other mandatory apps on my phone right now.