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Maybe I live in a bubble but these are not problems I’ve ever heard expressed until now. Bluesky seems perfectly fine for those who use it?

gjsman-1000 1y ago
You're in a bubble. Popularity is trending down. https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats
- giraffe_lady 1y ago
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  - gjsman-1000 1y ago
    It's the subtitle: "Many liberals who had fled X for Bluesky seem to be embracing the Elon Musk-owned platform once more. Why?" Unless you're interpreting fled as being one-way, while embracing is somehow two-way.
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- __loam 1y ago
  It's over twice as popular as it was a year ago.
  - gjsman-1000 1y ago
    There was an election combined with it being new - now it's trending to be the next Clubhouse. Remember Clubhouse?
    - elictronic 1y ago
      Bluesky looks to go up then fall back to about half of it's peak. It has the look of a consistently used platform that slowly rolls off users but maintains a solid base. Clubhouse went to the moon then died over a 6 month period. Bluesky would need to drop another 2/3 of it's active users 6 months ago if you wanted your statement to match your data. Bluesky isn't growing exponentially, and is not falling catastrophically. Not a good comparison.
    - daveguy 1y ago
      I see a slight decline of around 15% after the initial surge followed by relatively stable activity. It must be easy to manipulate someone who sees stats through such warped glasses. They are playing you like a fiddle. Or maybe you're just trying to bias other folks.
  - pessimizer 1y ago
    No, it's down posts year over year, which I wouldn't have believed was possible if it hadn't happened. It's got half as much post traffic as its peak(s), which were on exactly the days that Trump was elected and inaugurated. It's basically what Truth Social would be if it didn't even have Trump. ----- edit: it's not the fault of the technology, it's the fault of the awful company. They represent people strongly aligned with the Democratic Party, but with no power in the Democratic Party, and their philosophy has been stated over and over again: if you don't agree with whatever we believe today, we don't even want your support, or want you here, or want you to be employed. A lot of conservatives would add "they also don't want us to be alive." The worst part is that they're all upper-middle class, and when as the Gini coefficient goes up with the right-wingers they're locking into power by being so repulsive, they'll just get wealthier and wealthier and more self-righteous. I've been suspecting for years that there's a lot of botted support for the dumbest most out of touch liberals that is paid for by conservatives. I don't meet people like this in real life, and I am very left-wing. The liberals I meet are generally humble and thoughtful (if in love with their television sets.)
    - __loam 1y ago
      I think bsky is a good platform in part because people like you just bounce off lol
- ARandomerDude 1y ago
  Interesting that there roughly 700K daily posters but only 390K followers. I have no idea what other social media numbers are but having ~2x the posters as followers doesn't seem like a sign of health to me.
  - daveguy 1y ago
    You are misinterpreting the statistics. Having more people talk than follow is good thing and probably consistent across social media. That's just saying the average person posts for 2 days and follows for 1. Which seems very typical if not heavy on the following. Pointing at more people speaking than sheeping and calling that an ominous statistic seems off, don't you think?
isk517 1y ago
Everyone I actually enjoyed following is on there. Someone once posted that the best part of Bluesky is that you scroll until you reach the end of the new posts from users you follow, then once you reach the end of new content you stop and go do something else for a while. Bluesky not attempting to be a infinite dopamine is a feature in the best interest of the users
- add-sub-mul-div 1y ago
  Exactly. The best replacement for Twitter/Reddit/etc. isn't any single option, it's your favorite of the new options plus a mindset of being less online, not needing a replacement for how important those used to be.
- mingus88 1y ago
  I’ve been using RSS feed for nearly 20 years now. Why we ever strayed to some endless algorithm is beyond me. I have a list of chronologically sorted articles from sources I trust. That’s it and that’s all. I read them until they are read. Then I close the app and do other stuff until tomorrow. Is it any wonder Google killed off Reader around the same time it tried to launch Google+? Managing our own feeds was never going to peak capitalism.
HankStallone 1y ago
It seems logical that people who like it keep using it, while people who don't like it stop. I've seen several people right here on HN say they stopped using it for various reasons, so I don't suppose he's making it up.
dfxm12 1y ago
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- MangoToupe 1y ago
  The inability to interact with (or even view) people outside of party affiliation is moving the overton window to the right all on its own. We're not going to be able to correct until we can reject this mindset entirely. I'm sure Thiel is more than happy to take advantage of this.
  - gjsman-1000 1y ago
    Look at HN - if you express something even a taste conservative, you will absolutely be downvoted. Which is ultimately just silencing the messenger; the very behavior that backfires... sometimes figuratively, yesterday literally. You'd think free speech advocates would be smarter than to ever use the downvote button on a legitimate opinion, seems like a contradiction. Edit, for the reply: > "Post a far left soundbite opinion like 'all consumption is unethical under capitalism' and you will get downvoted just as handily as 'I wasn't hired because I'm white'" This is actually a bad example, because we just got Ames vs Ohio, eliminating the higher burden of proof that white individuals needed to present when claiming discrimination 9-0. As such, there is a possibility that complaint was factual and is going to be proven soon, where the other is purely ideological. Edit 2: Nice undocumented edit to make it a "trans employee" instead. You've just openly admitted you would've downvoted a legitimate opinion by claiming it was illegitimate, then edited your comment afterwards to fix the weakness, proving my original point.
    - miltonlost 1y ago
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    - dghlsakjg 1y ago
      There are plenty of conservative and right leaning people here with strong opinions that don't get downvoted. They tend to stick to traditional conservative principles that are backed by rational thought and actual work and research. Populist ideas, un-backed propaganda and blind followership of both the right and the left are not popular here. Post a far left soundbite opinion like "all consumption is unethical under capitalism" and you will get downvoted just as handily as "I wasn't hired because they needed a trans employee". For disclosure: I did change white to trans employee approximately ~90 seconds after the original post, and not in response to his edit (I did not see OPs edit until now, 1 hour after the original post). The sentence he is so upset about is meant as an illustrative example of an inflammatory viewpoint. It appears from the inflammation that my point was well made. Thank you. For those wondering, I changed "I wasn't hired because I'm white" to what it reads above. My reason for the change was to make the statement absurdly inflammatory, and not subject to the exact sort of irrelevant (irrelevant to the point being made, that is) debate that OP is trying to force. If you look at my comment history you will see that I edit almost all of my comments. I have the bad habit of proofreading after posting, and editing for clarity. Not trying to do a "gotcha" because the point I am making is still logically identical. If you want, substitute it for the completely unbacked "litterboxes in schools" right wing meme, and the point still stands. The point being: HN tolerates many viewpoints across the spectrum. HN does not tolerate stupid, and especially when it is stupid wrapped in culture war bottom scrapings. That is what will get you downvoted.
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SilverElfin 1y ago
Maybe it’s fine if you treat Bluesky as a way to follow just a few trusted people. But that could also be an echo chamber. I was surprised, however, by how many vile comments I saw regarding Charlie Kirk’s death. To me as an outsider to its culture, it looks just like Reddit. So “sectarian” feels right.
- deeg 1y ago
  I use blue sky exclusively over Twitter and in my experience the condolences about kirks death out numbered the vile posts at least 10 to 1. In general the worst I saw were posts lamenting his death by violence while also noting his bigotry and love for guns.
- bediger4000 1y ago
  I had a very different experience - I saw very few gloating comments, and those were vastly outweighed by comments saying we don't know, nobody deserves this, violence isn't the answer, political violence spirals. About the worst I saw were, in essence, saying this is bad, but those who live by the sword, die by the sword, which is a biblical thing. Why is Bluesky an echo chamber but X, Rumble, Gab, Gettr are not? I bet there's huge vile "damn leftists" commentary there, even though we don't know who shot Kirk or why. Why isn't that an echo chamber?
  - SilverElfin 1y ago
    > Why is Bluesky an echo chamber but X, Rumble, Gab, Gettr are not? I bet there's huge vile "damn leftists" commentary there, even though we don't know who shot Kirk or why. Why isn't that an echo chamber? I have not even heard of some of those. So I am not saying that they aren’t echo chambers either. But given the reputation for civil discourse that blue sky has, I was surprised to see a lot of comments that were saying disgusting things in thinly coded ways.
    - bediger4000 1y ago
      Why is your experience better than mine? I didn't see those things.

gjsman-1000 1y ago

You're in a bubble. Popularity is trending down. https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats

giraffe_lady 1y ago
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- gjsman-1000 1y ago
  It's the subtitle: "Many liberals who had fled X for Bluesky seem to be embracing the Elon Musk-owned platform once more. Why?" Unless you're interpreting fled as being one-way, while embracing is somehow two-way.
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__loam 1y ago
It's over twice as popular as it was a year ago.
- gjsman-1000 1y ago
  There was an election combined with it being new - now it's trending to be the next Clubhouse. Remember Clubhouse?
  - elictronic 1y ago
    Bluesky looks to go up then fall back to about half of it's peak. It has the look of a consistently used platform that slowly rolls off users but maintains a solid base. Clubhouse went to the moon then died over a 6 month period. Bluesky would need to drop another 2/3 of it's active users 6 months ago if you wanted your statement to match your data. Bluesky isn't growing exponentially, and is not falling catastrophically. Not a good comparison.
  - daveguy 1y ago
    I see a slight decline of around 15% after the initial surge followed by relatively stable activity. It must be easy to manipulate someone who sees stats through such warped glasses. They are playing you like a fiddle. Or maybe you're just trying to bias other folks.
- pessimizer 1y ago
  No, it's down posts year over year, which I wouldn't have believed was possible if it hadn't happened. It's got half as much post traffic as its peak(s), which were on exactly the days that Trump was elected and inaugurated. It's basically what Truth Social would be if it didn't even have Trump. ----- edit: it's not the fault of the technology, it's the fault of the awful company. They represent people strongly aligned with the Democratic Party, but with no power in the Democratic Party, and their philosophy has been stated over and over again: if you don't agree with whatever we believe today, we don't even want your support, or want you here, or want you to be employed. A lot of conservatives would add "they also don't want us to be alive." The worst part is that they're all upper-middle class, and when as the Gini coefficient goes up with the right-wingers they're locking into power by being so repulsive, they'll just get wealthier and wealthier and more self-righteous. I've been suspecting for years that there's a lot of botted support for the dumbest most out of touch liberals that is paid for by conservatives. I don't meet people like this in real life, and I am very left-wing. The liberals I meet are generally humble and thoughtful (if in love with their television sets.)
  - __loam 1y ago
    I think bsky is a good platform in part because people like you just bounce off lol
ARandomerDude 1y ago
Interesting that there roughly 700K daily posters but only 390K followers. I have no idea what other social media numbers are but having ~2x the posters as followers doesn't seem like a sign of health to me.
- daveguy 1y ago
  You are misinterpreting the statistics. Having more people talk than follow is good thing and probably consistent across social media. That's just saying the average person posts for 2 days and follows for 1. Which seems very typical if not heavy on the following. Pointing at more people speaking than sheeping and calling that an ominous statistic seems off, don't you think?

isk517 1y ago

Everyone I actually enjoyed following is on there. Someone once posted that the best part of Bluesky is that you scroll until you reach the end of the new posts from users you follow, then once you reach the end of new content you stop and go do something else for a while. Bluesky not attempting to be a infinite dopamine is a feature in the best interest of the users

add-sub-mul-div 1y ago
Exactly. The best replacement for Twitter/Reddit/etc. isn't any single option, it's your favorite of the new options plus a mindset of being less online, not needing a replacement for how important those used to be.
mingus88 1y ago
I’ve been using RSS feed for nearly 20 years now. Why we ever strayed to some endless algorithm is beyond me. I have a list of chronologically sorted articles from sources I trust. That’s it and that’s all. I read them until they are read. Then I close the app and do other stuff until tomorrow. Is it any wonder Google killed off Reader around the same time it tried to launch Google+? Managing our own feeds was never going to peak capitalism.

HankStallone 1y ago

It seems logical that people who like it keep using it, while people who don't like it stop. I've seen several people right here on HN say they stopped using it for various reasons, so I don't suppose he's making it up.

dfxm12 1y ago

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MangoToupe 1y ago
The inability to interact with (or even view) people outside of party affiliation is moving the overton window to the right all on its own. We're not going to be able to correct until we can reject this mindset entirely. I'm sure Thiel is more than happy to take advantage of this.
- gjsman-1000 1y ago
  Look at HN - if you express something even a taste conservative, you will absolutely be downvoted. Which is ultimately just silencing the messenger; the very behavior that backfires... sometimes figuratively, yesterday literally. You'd think free speech advocates would be smarter than to ever use the downvote button on a legitimate opinion, seems like a contradiction. Edit, for the reply: > "Post a far left soundbite opinion like 'all consumption is unethical under capitalism' and you will get downvoted just as handily as 'I wasn't hired because I'm white'" This is actually a bad example, because we just got Ames vs Ohio, eliminating the higher burden of proof that white individuals needed to present when claiming discrimination 9-0. As such, there is a possibility that complaint was factual and is going to be proven soon, where the other is purely ideological. Edit 2: Nice undocumented edit to make it a "trans employee" instead. You've just openly admitted you would've downvoted a legitimate opinion by claiming it was illegitimate, then edited your comment afterwards to fix the weakness, proving my original point.
  - miltonlost 1y ago
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  - dghlsakjg 1y ago
    There are plenty of conservative and right leaning people here with strong opinions that don't get downvoted. They tend to stick to traditional conservative principles that are backed by rational thought and actual work and research. Populist ideas, un-backed propaganda and blind followership of both the right and the left are not popular here. Post a far left soundbite opinion like "all consumption is unethical under capitalism" and you will get downvoted just as handily as "I wasn't hired because they needed a trans employee". For disclosure: I did change white to trans employee approximately ~90 seconds after the original post, and not in response to his edit (I did not see OPs edit until now, 1 hour after the original post). The sentence he is so upset about is meant as an illustrative example of an inflammatory viewpoint. It appears from the inflammation that my point was well made. Thank you. For those wondering, I changed "I wasn't hired because I'm white" to what it reads above. My reason for the change was to make the statement absurdly inflammatory, and not subject to the exact sort of irrelevant (irrelevant to the point being made, that is) debate that OP is trying to force. If you look at my comment history you will see that I edit almost all of my comments. I have the bad habit of proofreading after posting, and editing for clarity. Not trying to do a "gotcha" because the point I am making is still logically identical. If you want, substitute it for the completely unbacked "litterboxes in schools" right wing meme, and the point still stands. The point being: HN tolerates many viewpoints across the spectrum. HN does not tolerate stupid, and especially when it is stupid wrapped in culture war bottom scrapings. That is what will get you downvoted.

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SilverElfin 1y ago

Maybe it’s fine if you treat Bluesky as a way to follow just a few trusted people. But that could also be an echo chamber. I was surprised, however, by how many vile comments I saw regarding Charlie Kirk’s death. To me as an outsider to its culture, it looks just like Reddit. So “sectarian” feels right.

deeg 1y ago
I use blue sky exclusively over Twitter and in my experience the condolences about kirks death out numbered the vile posts at least 10 to 1. In general the worst I saw were posts lamenting his death by violence while also noting his bigotry and love for guns.
bediger4000 1y ago
I had a very different experience - I saw very few gloating comments, and those were vastly outweighed by comments saying we don't know, nobody deserves this, violence isn't the answer, political violence spirals. About the worst I saw were, in essence, saying this is bad, but those who live by the sword, die by the sword, which is a biblical thing. Why is Bluesky an echo chamber but X, Rumble, Gab, Gettr are not? I bet there's huge vile "damn leftists" commentary there, even though we don't know who shot Kirk or why. Why isn't that an echo chamber?
- SilverElfin 1y ago
  > Why is Bluesky an echo chamber but X, Rumble, Gab, Gettr are not? I bet there's huge vile "damn leftists" commentary there, even though we don't know who shot Kirk or why. Why isn't that an echo chamber? I have not even heard of some of those. So I am not saying that they aren’t echo chambers either. But given the reputation for civil discourse that blue sky has, I was surprised to see a lot of comments that were saying disgusting things in thinly coded ways.
  - bediger4000 1y ago
    Why is your experience better than mine? I didn't see those things.