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Apple are in a bind here since the bend/crease will degrade over time. Other manufacturers get a pass on this sort of stuff (just look at Pixel phones not makin

Apple are in a bind here since the bend/crease will degrade over time. Other manufacturers get a pass on this sort of stuff (just look at Pixel phones not making emergency calls for a prime example), but apple will be hit with fines and class action lawsuits.

Zigurd 1y ago
Apple sometimes manages to wait out bad ideas: they never gave into the bad idea of touchscreen "convertible" laptops, just conceding the touch bar which is now extinct.
- izacus 1y ago
  That's a most generous reading of the touchbar fiasco I've ever seen (and I've heard a lot of Apple fans speak).
  - j_maffe 1y ago
    Wait until Apple comes out with a folding phone, they'll say it was the plan all along lol
  - Zigurd 1y ago
    I wasn't trying to be generous. I was making a nod toward something like malicious compliance. I used to have a big old Mercedes sedan that had the worst cupholder in automotive history that would break as soon as possible. It was designed to pop out of a slot in the center console. But real German car drivers finish their coffee before stepping into the car. That's how I see the touch bar. It was meant to be awful.
  - meatmanek 1y ago
    IMO the touchbar was the least-bad thing about my touchbar 2017 MBP. The butterfly keyboard, flexgate, the USB-C ports that lost their ability to retain cables after like 20 insertions, and the overheating and quickly-degrading battery were much bigger issues. I didn't really get much value out of the touchbar (never really used any per-app touchbar functionality), but it was mostly fine -- I adjusted to the touchbar escape key pretty quickly.
  - thewebguyd 1y ago
    The touchbar would've ben great if they also didn't remove the function rows & escape key.
- Liftyee 1y ago
  > the bad idea of touchscreen "convertible" laptops Is it such a bad idea? I use a convertible Thinkpad to take handwritten notes as well as usual laptop duties. Perhaps it just doesn't fit your usecase, it seems that plenty of these laptops are still being made today. Granted, my previous Gen 1 Thinkpad had constant motherboard and memory issues - not sure if design flaw, lemon, or otherwise. To their credit, Lenovo warranty repaired it and eventually gave an upgrade (my current device) for no charge.
beAbU 1y ago
Don't make it sound like Apple is some sort of victim of regulation who's being picked on the whole time. They will not get fines and lawsuits if they make a foldable phone with a display that degrades over time. I do think a move like this will hurt their reputation for making durable devices. They are a victim of their own success a little here.
- thebruce87m 1y ago
  > Don't make it sound like Apple is some sort of victim of regulation who's being picked on the whole time. I didn’t say this. I would merely accept other companies being held to the same standard. > They will not get fines and lawsuits if they make a foldable phone with a display that degrades over time. This will 100% happen. When it does I will come back and post here.
  - hu3 1y ago
    They never got any significant fine for bendgate, "you're holding it wrong", problematic butterfly keyboards or secretly slowing down iphones due to degraded batteries. Am I missing some other blunder?
    - thebruce87m 1y ago
      Antennagate : https://www.theverge.com/2012/2/17/2807511/apple-settles-antennagate-class-action-lawsuit-15-or-a-bumpercase-for https://www.theverge.com/2012/2/17/2807511/apple-settles-ant... Butterfly: https://www.keyboardsettlement.com/ https://www.keyboardsettlement.com/ Batterygate: multiple countries. Here’s Canada: https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-pay-c144-mln-settle-iphone-throttling-case-canada-cbc-reports-2024-03-04/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-pay-c144-mln-settle... US: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/11/18/apple-fine-battery/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/11/18/apple-f... Nothing for bendgate Yes, a lot of the time they settle, so no admission of guilt but it still costs them money.
- outworlder 1y ago
  > They will not get fines and lawsuits if they make a foldable phone with a display that degrades over time. They got lawsuits because of batteries that degraded over time.
fennecbutt 1y ago
Well not really. Apple ignored bendgate for ages, they ignored butterfly issues for ages, antennagate as well - to whicjbt they told customers "you're holding it wrong". As for other manufacturers not being held liable, Galaxy Note 7 had plenty of related lawsuits and customer action holding them accountable amongst many other cases of the same. Apple is just a company like any other.

Zigurd 1y ago

Apple sometimes manages to wait out bad ideas: they never gave into the bad idea of touchscreen "convertible" laptops, just conceding the touch bar which is now extinct.

izacus 1y ago
That's a most generous reading of the touchbar fiasco I've ever seen (and I've heard a lot of Apple fans speak).
- j_maffe 1y ago
  Wait until Apple comes out with a folding phone, they'll say it was the plan all along lol
- Zigurd 1y ago
  I wasn't trying to be generous. I was making a nod toward something like malicious compliance. I used to have a big old Mercedes sedan that had the worst cupholder in automotive history that would break as soon as possible. It was designed to pop out of a slot in the center console. But real German car drivers finish their coffee before stepping into the car. That's how I see the touch bar. It was meant to be awful.
- meatmanek 1y ago
  IMO the touchbar was the least-bad thing about my touchbar 2017 MBP. The butterfly keyboard, flexgate, the USB-C ports that lost their ability to retain cables after like 20 insertions, and the overheating and quickly-degrading battery were much bigger issues. I didn't really get much value out of the touchbar (never really used any per-app touchbar functionality), but it was mostly fine -- I adjusted to the touchbar escape key pretty quickly.
- thewebguyd 1y ago
  The touchbar would've ben great if they also didn't remove the function rows & escape key.
Liftyee 1y ago
> the bad idea of touchscreen "convertible" laptops Is it such a bad idea? I use a convertible Thinkpad to take handwritten notes as well as usual laptop duties. Perhaps it just doesn't fit your usecase, it seems that plenty of these laptops are still being made today. Granted, my previous Gen 1 Thinkpad had constant motherboard and memory issues - not sure if design flaw, lemon, or otherwise. To their credit, Lenovo warranty repaired it and eventually gave an upgrade (my current device) for no charge.

beAbU 1y ago

Don't make it sound like Apple is some sort of victim of regulation who's being picked on the whole time. They will not get fines and lawsuits if they make a foldable phone with a display that degrades over time. I do think a move like this will hurt their reputation for making durable devices. They are a victim of their own success a little here.

thebruce87m 1y ago
> Don't make it sound like Apple is some sort of victim of regulation who's being picked on the whole time. I didn’t say this. I would merely accept other companies being held to the same standard. > They will not get fines and lawsuits if they make a foldable phone with a display that degrades over time. This will 100% happen. When it does I will come back and post here.
- hu3 1y ago
  They never got any significant fine for bendgate, "you're holding it wrong", problematic butterfly keyboards or secretly slowing down iphones due to degraded batteries. Am I missing some other blunder?
  - thebruce87m 1y ago
    Antennagate : https://www.theverge.com/2012/2/17/2807511/apple-settles-antennagate-class-action-lawsuit-15-or-a-bumpercase-for https://www.theverge.com/2012/2/17/2807511/apple-settles-ant... Butterfly: https://www.keyboardsettlement.com/ https://www.keyboardsettlement.com/ Batterygate: multiple countries. Here’s Canada: https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-pay-c144-mln-settle-iphone-throttling-case-canada-cbc-reports-2024-03-04/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-pay-c144-mln-settle... US: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/11/18/apple-fine-battery/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/11/18/apple-f... Nothing for bendgate Yes, a lot of the time they settle, so no admission of guilt but it still costs them money.
outworlder 1y ago
> They will not get fines and lawsuits if they make a foldable phone with a display that degrades over time. They got lawsuits because of batteries that degraded over time.

fennecbutt 1y ago

Well not really. Apple ignored bendgate for ages, they ignored butterfly issues for ages, antennagate as well - to whicjbt they told customers "you're holding it wrong". As for other manufacturers not being held liable, Galaxy Note 7 had plenty of related lawsuits and customer action holding them accountable amongst many other cases of the same. Apple is just a company like any other.