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I don’t believe that at all. COVID was real and serious, especially for vulnerable people. My point is that shutting down the entire country caused damage in ar

I don’t believe that at all. COVID was real and serious, especially for vulnerable people. My point is that shutting down the entire country caused damage in areas like education, mental health, and livelihoods that also cost lives and well-being. Protecting those at risk could have been done without blanket shutdowns that hurt everyone.

abenga 1y ago
There are countries that did not shut down (Sweden comes to mind). Do you have some quantitative comparison of the reduced damage done there?
- arw0n 1y ago
  Overall, Sweden didn't fare worse than other European countries with harder measures. But these things are really difficult to compare due to geographic and cultural issues. Sweden is quite rural. Swedes value personal distance, and from my limited experience they easily more readily conform to rules and social norms, so I would assume there was less close contact, and better adherence to the few rules given out. The US btw. also is largely rural/sub-urban, which should significantly reduce the risk of infection. I think almost all of my colds and flues I got on the metro or the overcrowded super-market.
- firesteelrain 1y ago
  Yes, there was one study showing that Sweden fared better than the US. However the US as a whole, some of the States, are the sizes of countries. So you get a patchwork comparison. We would have to find a state with similar demographics, culture, economy, etc to compare. [1] https://www.cato.org/blog/sweden-during-pandemic-pariah-or-paragon https://www.cato.org/blog/sweden-during-pandemic-pariah-or-p...
the_gipsy 1y ago
You too will be old and weak one day.
- firesteelrain 1y ago
  My in laws are old and weak. They just played it safe. But didn’t stay isolated from their grandkids unless they were sick My mother in law has two forms of cancer. FIL before he died post COVID had all sorts of complications. He didn’t stop living his life.
  - the_gipsy 1y ago
    Anecdotal, Dunning Kruger. Just look at the fucking statistics. Old and weak people died, because we didn't lock down enough, for the sake of the fucking economy. Unbelievable.
    - firesteelrain 1y ago
      Have a blessed day

abenga 1y ago

There are countries that did not shut down (Sweden comes to mind). Do you have some quantitative comparison of the reduced damage done there?

arw0n 1y ago
Overall, Sweden didn't fare worse than other European countries with harder measures. But these things are really difficult to compare due to geographic and cultural issues. Sweden is quite rural. Swedes value personal distance, and from my limited experience they easily more readily conform to rules and social norms, so I would assume there was less close contact, and better adherence to the few rules given out. The US btw. also is largely rural/sub-urban, which should significantly reduce the risk of infection. I think almost all of my colds and flues I got on the metro or the overcrowded super-market.
firesteelrain 1y ago
Yes, there was one study showing that Sweden fared better than the US. However the US as a whole, some of the States, are the sizes of countries. So you get a patchwork comparison. We would have to find a state with similar demographics, culture, economy, etc to compare. [1] https://www.cato.org/blog/sweden-during-pandemic-pariah-or-paragon https://www.cato.org/blog/sweden-during-pandemic-pariah-or-p...

the_gipsy 1y ago

You too will be old and weak one day.

firesteelrain 1y ago
My in laws are old and weak. They just played it safe. But didn’t stay isolated from their grandkids unless they were sick My mother in law has two forms of cancer. FIL before he died post COVID had all sorts of complications. He didn’t stop living his life.
- the_gipsy 1y ago
  Anecdotal, Dunning Kruger. Just look at the fucking statistics. Old and weak people died, because we didn't lock down enough, for the sake of the fucking economy. Unbelievable.
  - firesteelrain 1y ago
    Have a blessed day