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this bit is a no-go for me. they've decided what goes in the immutable base os and allowed a set of kde apps citing subpar experience flatpak versions. I'm gues

this bit is a no-go for me. they've decided what goes in the immutable base os and allowed a set of kde apps citing subpar experience flatpak versions. I'm guessing they haven't tested all flatpak apps as they tested their apps. "Well, we’re kind of cheating a bit here. A couple KDE apps are shipped as Flatpaks, and the rest you download using Discover will be Flatpack’d as well, but we do ship Dolphin, Konsole, Ark, Spectacle, Discover, Info Center, System Settings, and some other System-level apps on the base image, rather than as Flatpaks. The truth is, Flatpak is currently a pretty poor technology for system-level apps that want deep integration with the base system. We tried Dolphin and Konsole as Flatpaks for a while, but the user experience was just terrible." https://pointieststick.com/2025/09/06/announcing-the-alpha-release-of-kde-linux/ https://pointieststick.com/2025/09/06/announcing-the-alpha-r...

sho_hn 1y ago
Nathan (who is a QA person with user-visible breakage ever-present on his mind) is talking about the alpha and the present-day situation, which naturally isn't set in stone. KDE is a Flatpak contributor. One of the little skunkworks projects within KDE Linux is even exploring further evolution of Flatpak that would allow putting Plasma itself into one, etc. This is an ongoing story, you shouldn't assume dogma.
nine_k 1y ago
This definitely looks like a system intended to be configured by an administrator, not the user. It shouts "secure office use", much like Silvetblue.
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- bmicraft 1y ago
  Installation is exceptionally easy, other than timezone, install disk and user account. I'd also expect installing flatpaks offline would be a hassle.
edoceo 1y ago
Note: not Dolphin the GameCube+Wii emulator but Dolphin the file-browser/manager (a KDE native)
- floxy 1y ago
  Not Dolphin the Smalltalk, either. http://www.object-arts.com/dolphin7.html http://www.object-arts.com/dolphin7.html
- eklavya 1y ago
  I would be surprised if anybody who ever used kde would confuse the two.
IshKebab 1y ago
They are both admitting that Flatpak gives a terrible user experience and making Flatpak the only way for users to install apps. Strange design.
- 1una 1y ago
  They admit > Flatpak is currently a pretty poor technology for system-level apps that want deep integration with the base system. Therefore they ship those apps on the base image, rather than as Flatpaks. I don’t see what’s wrong with this approach.
  - vbezhenar 1y ago
    KDE Ark is a graphical file compression/decompression utility. It's not system app and does not require deep integration with the base system. It's a bit strange choice of apps to include to system image.
    - rollcat 1y ago
      Which is odd. Windows was able to browse ZIPs like normal folders since... 98? XP? Can't remember now. IMHO KDE delegates too much core functionality to apps. On macOS, I can press "space" while having a file selected and I get an instant preview. This sort of thing must not be delegated.
      - const_cast 1y ago
        Is this true? I was under the impression windows wasn't able to decompress zip files natively till very recently, like windows 11. I could be remembering wrong.
        IshKebab 1y ago
        Yeah it's been supported since at least Windows 7. I think XP sounds about right.
        1y ago

sho_hn 1y ago

Nathan (who is a QA person with user-visible breakage ever-present on his mind) is talking about the alpha and the present-day situation, which naturally isn't set in stone. KDE is a Flatpak contributor. One of the little skunkworks projects within KDE Linux is even exploring further evolution of Flatpak that would allow putting Plasma itself into one, etc. This is an ongoing story, you shouldn't assume dogma.

nine_k 1y ago

This definitely looks like a system intended to be configured by an administrator, not the user. It shouts "secure office use", much like Silvetblue.

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bmicraft 1y ago
Installation is exceptionally easy, other than timezone, install disk and user account. I'd also expect installing flatpaks offline would be a hassle.

edoceo 1y ago

Note: not Dolphin the GameCube+Wii emulator but Dolphin the file-browser/manager (a KDE native)

floxy 1y ago
Not Dolphin the Smalltalk, either. http://www.object-arts.com/dolphin7.html http://www.object-arts.com/dolphin7.html
eklavya 1y ago
I would be surprised if anybody who ever used kde would confuse the two.

IshKebab 1y ago

They are both admitting that Flatpak gives a terrible user experience and making Flatpak the only way for users to install apps. Strange design.

1una 1y ago
They admit > Flatpak is currently a pretty poor technology for system-level apps that want deep integration with the base system. Therefore they ship those apps on the base image, rather than as Flatpaks. I don’t see what’s wrong with this approach.
- vbezhenar 1y ago
  KDE Ark is a graphical file compression/decompression utility. It's not system app and does not require deep integration with the base system. It's a bit strange choice of apps to include to system image.
  - rollcat 1y ago
    Which is odd. Windows was able to browse ZIPs like normal folders since... 98? XP? Can't remember now. IMHO KDE delegates too much core functionality to apps. On macOS, I can press "space" while having a file selected and I get an instant preview. This sort of thing must not be delegated.
    - const_cast 1y ago
      Is this true? I was under the impression windows wasn't able to decompress zip files natively till very recently, like windows 11. I could be remembering wrong.
      - IshKebab 1y ago
        Yeah it's been supported since at least Windows 7. I think XP sounds about right.
      - 1y ago