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Don't want to talk in bad taste by going to this so early, but... this extremely unfortunate event is going to be a very telling test for the media and society
by afavour 1y ago
Don't want to talk in bad taste by going to this so early, but... this extremely unfortunate event is going to be a very telling test for the media and society at large.
A Democratic state representative in Minnesota was brutally murdered and another attacked by the same man only a couple of months ago, back in June. How many can name them? How long did their deaths stay in the headlines? How much coverage were they given, and how much coverage will Kirk be given?
My cynical side suspects we are about to hear a lot about "violence from the left" in a way we did not about the right back in June.
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- bena 1y agoWe fail this test over and over and the fact that you don't realize it is telling in and of itself. Not as a remark on you, but on the media in general.
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- ceejayoz 1y agohttps://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/19/us/minnesota-shootings-vance-boelter.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/19/us/minnesota-shootings-va... > Mr. Boelter developed a strong distrust of government, especially Democrats. According to Mr. Carlson, he believed that the criminal prosecutions of Donald J. Trump were politically motivated, and that a victory by the Democratic presidential candidate, Kamala Harris, would lead to civil war. He followed the Infowars website founded by the conspiracy theorist Alex Jones. Mmkay.
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- kennywinker 1y agoI’d believe him if he said that before he’d lawyered up. Now, looks like building a defense to me.
- radlad 1y agoIt's not so much a matter of who "knows better." There's an element of whether you trust a murderer, or are all the facts and evidence around their case, more.
- jawarner 1y agoTake a look at the next sentence from your linked article. “I am pro-life personaly [sic] but it wasn’t those,” he said, using the jail’s internal messaging system. “I will just say there is a lot of information that will come out in future that people will look at and judge for themselves that goes back 24 months before the 14th. If the gov ever let’s [sic] it get out.”
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- ceejayoz 1y agoThe… NY Post is far left now?
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- ceejayoz 1y agohttps://www.fox9.com/news/minnesota-lawmaker-bca-shooting-suspects-list-lawmakers-not-manifesto https://www.fox9.com/news/minnesota-lawmaker-bca-shooting-su... > Federal prosecutors confirmed 45 Democrats were listed, including dozens of Minnesota lawmakers and members of Congress such as Rep. Angie Craig, Rep. Ilhan Omar, and Sen. Tina Smith. It also included members of Planned Parenthood, philanthropist MacKenzie Scott, who has donated hundreds of millions of dollars to the organization, and several healthcare centers across the Midwest. https://www.npr.org/2025/06/16/nx-s1-5433748/minnesota-shooting-suspect-vance-boelter-arrested-melissa-hortman-john-hoffman https://www.npr.org/2025/06/16/nx-s1-5433748/minnesota-shoot... > Authorities in Minnesota said Monday that the man arrested in a Saturday attack that killed one state lawmaker and left another wounded had a "hit list" of 45 elected officials — all Democrats.
- kennywinker 1y agoWhataboutism? Nobody is whatabouting any of the violence. They are however pointing out that media isn’t an impartial observer, and that skews everyone’s perception of what is happening. Anyway someone else responded with citations for the dem hit list, which backs up everything i said except “he voted for trump” which is impossible to know because we have secret ballots but he told his friend he voted for trump. (Citation: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/vance-boelter-minnesota-lawmaker-shooting-b2770746.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/vanc...) Now tell me honestly, if the guy who shot charlie kirk turns out to have no known political affiliations but a hit list of republican politicians and activists - you’d be saying it’s complicated?
- jmye 1y ago> Please provide sources for all of your claims, I made sure to verify what I wrote before I wrote it. And then provided none of those supposed “verifications” for what are probably very honorable and honest reasons.
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- bilbo0s 1y agoit has no axioms, no values, no fundamental truths That’s pretty much both parties. It’s why we are where we are.
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- mrtksn 1y agoThink of it as a hardening. From outsider perspective, IMHO your left is very weak and inconsistent and it's not even left from a European perspective. The far right developed stars, stallions and philosophers that are effective in the popular culture no matter how vile some of those can be. There are up and coming leftist Americans but they will need to hustle to develop intro strong leaders. The mainstream figures from the American left like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez or Bernie Sanders are just too lightweight. Edit: funny how this comment fluctuates between 0 and 2 points. This edit will probably tip the balance though :)
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- mrtksn 1y agoEurope does have left wings pop stars like Zizec and Varoufakis though.
- heyjamesknight 1y ago> and it's not even left from a European perspective. This is a meme that needs to die. Its just not true. The Democratic party in the US is right in line with Labor/Socialist/Whatever Mainstream Leftist Party you want to point at in Europe. It has members who end up on various sides of the left-wing spectrum. There are no "far left" parties in the US because we have a two party system. There are obviously topics where this is not true. But that goes both ways: almost no country on Earth has the level of abortion access that the Democratic party in the US demands. And there are examples of European right wing parties who fight for zero abortion access, which is not the GOP platform currently.
- Amezarak 1y agoYeah, there are just so many mismatches it doesn't make sense. - Nearly all European countries have and support a very high consumption tax (VAT). In the US, nobody would be really for this (although some conservatives favor such taxes), but US liberals would be extremely against it due to the regressive nature of consumption taxes. - The majority of EU countries institute voter ID laws, something supported only by conservatives in the US. States with voter ID laws almost always allow some valid voter ID to be gotten for free, but they are still opposed by liberals. There are plenty of other examples when you start thinking about it.
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- jmdwifvjmrgbj 1y agoThis is not totally true. One Democratic representative was killed with her husband. The other representative was shot but survived.
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- rdtsc 1y ago> How many can name them? How long did their deaths stay in the headlines? How much coverage were they given, and how much coverage will Kirk be given? I couldn't have named Kirk if I saw him or heard about him before he shot and it entered the news. Not sure what that tells us -- we should know more who our representatives are, or know about various "influencers" in politics and such? EDIT: I saw you initially mentioned two representatives who were murdered but now it looks like there is only one. So even though you criticize others for not knowing who these murdered representatives were, it seems you don't even know who they were or if they were even murdered. > Don't want to talk in bad taste by going to this so early, but... Well this is how usually talking in bad taste early starts ;-). It's kind of like saying "No offense, but ... $insert_offense_here".
- PaulDavisThe1st 1y agoOne key difference here is that the MN Democrats killed and injured were relatively niche/local participants in the Democratic party in MN (none of that that makes their death or injury any more acceptable or less appalling). Kirk is a highly significant figure in the right wing media world.
- pwenzel 1y agoDoesn't help when Trump simply responded to Minnesota assassinations with: "you know, I could be nice and call him [Governor Walz], but why waste time?" https://www.startribune.com/trump-says-he-will-not-call-walz-following-deadly-minnesota-shootings-saying-its-waste-of-time/601374510 https://www.startribune.com/trump-says-he-will-not-call-walz... It was an attempt to quell the No Kings protests scheduled to happen the same day.
- HaZeust 1y agoI'm glad this was shared and that this did not go unnoticed, it made me know where things were going. Figureheads weren't even pretending to care anymore - escalations are in order way before any call for de-escalation will be made.
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- tolerance 1y agoIn bad taste only because what you’re questioning may have little to do with which side they were on. The better question to ask is, how many subscribers did the Democratic state representative from Minnesota and the other have?
- bilbo0s 1y agoThis is so true and so sad at the same time that it almost portends a kind of tragic fatal destiny to the US. You can almost see factions warring for no other purpose than to gain "followers" and "likes". (Might even make an argument that we're already there?) Just sad.
- tolerance 1y agoWhat you’ve described sounds like the logical outcome of Democracy in a post-digital world. I can envision a world where the future Secretary of State was a former Reddit moderator. Or worse. A Lemmy maintainer.
- amanaplanacanal 1y agoWe already have a TV personality for president. I'm not sure it would be much different.
- tolerance 1y agoWell, how do you think things are going so far?
- russellbeattie 1y agoThose were my thoughts exactly. There was no presidential message expressing sympathy and outrage then and complete radio silence from Republicans in general. And the amount of misinformation from the right was incredible. Even in this thread of nominally intelligent people, they're still repeating falsehoods. Any expression of shock and dismay from conservatives now is pure theater. The right wing is absolutely fine with violence. Accusations of the violent left is of course a talking point projection as usual.
- like_any_other 1y ago> How many can name them? How long did their deaths stay in the headlines? I don't know - how long did these stories stay in the headlines? A 26 year old man from Irondale, Alabama was later arrested and charged in connection with the bombing. Prosecutors stated that prior to the bombing, the suspect had been spotted placing stickers on government buildings, displaying "antifa, anti-police and anti-Immigration and Customs Enforcement sentiments" and had expressed "belief that violence should be directed against the government" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Marshall#Bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Marshall#Bombing Man, 80, run over for putting Trump sign in yard, say police - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1rw4xdjql4o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1rw4xdjql4o Alabama Antifa Sympathizer Pleads Guilty to Detonating Bomb outside State AG’s Office - https://www.nationalreview.com/news/alabama-antifa-sympathizer-pleads-guilty-to-detonating-bomb-outside-state-ags-office/ https://www.nationalreview.com/news/alabama-antifa-sympathiz... a man armed with a pistol and a crossbow showed up at Fuentes' home - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Fuentes#Alleged_murder_attempt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Fuentes#Alleged_murder_at... Attempted Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Assassin Identifies As Transgender; Hoped To Kill “Nazis” - https://wsau.com/2025/01/30/doj-filing-attempted-treasury-secretary-scott-bessent-assassin-ryan-english-identifies-as-trans-hoped-to-kill-nazis/ https://wsau.com/2025/01/30/doj-filing-attempted-treasury-se... 10 arrested after ambush on Texas ICE detention facility [..] When an Alvarado police officer arrived on the scene, one of the individuals shot him in the neck. Another individual shot 20 to 30 rounds at the facility correction officers, according to Larson. - https://abcnews.go.com/US/10-arrested-after-ambush-texas-ice-detention-facility/story?id=123555164 https://abcnews.go.com/US/10-arrested-after-ambush-texas-ice... Last but not lest, there was also an assassination attempt on Trump, though I concede that one did get plenty of attention.
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- kfrzcode 1y agoHe was a Christian and a intellectual thought leader in one of the more reasonable groups of conservative youth in the USA. You can paint TPUSA however you like but political engagement is political engagement, whether it's happening with the same color uniform you decide is the better choice or not. Welcoming and encouraging the free exchange of thought and ideas in an open forum. Free speech and American values are based directly in morality which comes to us from a higher power. This is all quite clear in the writings of the Founding Fathers and other contemporaries, but of course nowadays "American values" is shibboleth for "Nazi dogwhistles" to some population.
- yonaguska 1y agoThe motives in that case don't seem to immediately be as clear cut yet. I've been waiting for this trial or more information myself because that shooter has made some very bizarre claims. He admitted that he was a Trump supporter and pro-life, but that had nothing to do with why he did it. He then made the claim that Tim Waltz had hired him to carry out the execution. It's very odd- but I can't say why media orgs didn't cover it for very long at all.
- xnx 1y ago> A Democratic state representative in Minnesota was brutally murdered ...and her husband and dog. The killer also had a long list of other targets.
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