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I've basically switched to Linux. The bar is insanely low for me with Microsoft, get rid of all the telemetry bull#@$@# or make it easy for me to disable it wit

I've basically switched to Linux. The bar is insanely low for me with Microsoft, get rid of all the telemetry bull#@$@# or make it easy for me to disable it without having to run obscure github scripts. I have 0 telemetry on Arch Linux. Assuming Apple itself doesn't bypass Little Snitch, I don't even think Apple is doing the level of telemetry Microsoft does. I bought a Mac for my next laptop, and I have 0 need for Windows, I have been maining Linux for like six years now, and anything that needs me to use Windows is usually also available on Mac. Your move Microsoft. Give me an OS for power users that isn't full of marketing driven development.

joering2 1y ago
Obscure github scripts? Simplewall (Henry++) has entered the room.
- giancarlostoro 1y ago
  Lol every time I complain about Windows bloat someone sends me a random github repository as if that will make it better somehow. I don't need to debloat Linux or Mac...
simoncion 1y ago
My daily driver for decades has been Linux. A few months ago, I worked out how to run Steam as a different user under Xorg. [0] Since then, I've discovered that nearly all of the games I play (and I play a whole bunch of games) work fine under Linux with an AMD graphics card. I haven't booted into Windows in months. I'm so glad that folks like Valve have put so much effort into making Windows video games run fine on Linux. [0] It's not hard, and -like many such things- could totally be set up by a distro if they cared to do so.
- dralley 1y ago
  Yeah, the only games that I've found that don't run fine on Linux, are games where the game may actually work fine but the developer explicitly breaks support for anticheat reasons.
- ARandumGuy 1y ago
  The main hurdle for Linux gaming right now is kernel-level anticheat. Kernel-level anticheat is increasingly common in multiplayer games, and it does not play well with Linux. This makes it difficult to play new multiplayer games on Linux. Of course it's easy to argue that kernel-level anticheat gives way too much system access for a simple video game. But it's currently the most effective form of anticheat, and I don't see it going away anytime soon.
  - simoncion 1y ago
    > This makes it difficult to play new multiplayer games on Linux. There are so many multiplayer games that don't use invasive kernel-mode anticheat. I and my friends have been playing them for quite a long while now. I agree that there are games that won't work because their invasive kernel-mode anticheat won't run under Wine or Proton (and their devs haven't bothered to port it to Linux). Honestly? I'm quite fine with that. There are so many great games out there; I'm totally okay with never again playing the insignificant percentage of them that demand full control of my computer.
    - ARandumGuy 1y ago
      You're right, and I realize my post implied that multiplayer was a complete non-starter on Linux, which isn't true. Kernel-level anticheat is mostly found in big, mainstream releases (especially competitive shooters). Of course, these games happen to be very popular, which gives them an outsized impact. Personally, I know that the upcoming Battlefield 6 is making me question if I want to switch to Linux once Windows 10 support dies. For a lot of people, being able to play 99% of games on Linux doesn't matter if they can't play one specific game they enjoy. It's a situation that just sucks all around, and I don't see it getting fixed anytime soon.
      - simoncion 1y ago
        > Of course, these games happen to be very popular, which gives them an outsized impact. On the one hand, true. On the other hand, I wonder how BF6's day 1 demand will compare with that of Silksong! > For a lot of people, being able to play 99% of games on Linux doesn't matter if they can't play one specific game they enjoy. Sure, yeah, agreed. And the only thing that's wrong with that is that they can't play the game they want to play. > Personally, I know that the upcoming Battlefield 6 is making me question if I want to switch to Linux once Windows 10 support dies. Yeah, BF6 demanding Secure Boot be enabled is fascinating. All that effort and they currently do (and will continue to) have cheaters. Plus, all it takes is one buggy widely-used kernel component to render the whole Secure Boot exercise pointless. Bear in mind that I'm quite a fan of first-person shooters when reading the following: It seems to me that the big-name Military-Themed Murder Simulators are all released on both PC and PS5 these days. It seems like many of them support attaching a mouse and keyboard to the console and giving you mouse+keyboard control. Honestly, if I ever get the urge to play one of those flashy-but-not-at-all-good-enough-to-justify-the-price-let-alone-the-invasive-kernel-mode-combination-snoopware-and-backdoors things again, I'll just get a copy for PS5 and attach a mouse and keyboard. Were I fifteen, I'd be likely to jump through the hoops they're presenting. But, I'm definitely no longer fifteen... and over those years, I've played so many -frequently way better- incarnations of whatever game the big studios are serving up this year. I guess it's a pity for them that years and years of accumulated experience have turned me into something of a low-key snob. ;)
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lupusreal 1y ago
There has never been a better time for Windows users to switch to Linux. Most desktop applications are getting replaced with websites, Valve is making herculean progress in getting games to run seamlessly on Linux and, most recently, LLMs have become very effective at helping new users understand and potentially fix their setups.
- ioands 1y ago
  That said, I did just spend almost half a day trying to debug why SuSE couldn’t see my NVIDIA card. After giving up on that, I tried Fedora which forces Wayland on me and was stuttery for no obvious reason. Finally I tried Arch and it seems to work fine without much fiddling about. Meanwhile I can buy a Mac and use it immediately, and Windows is a pain but I never have to try 100 solutions before it works. That’s on me for using NVIDIA though, I’m sure it’s much smoother with Intel and AMD hardware.
  - simoncion 1y ago
    > That’s on me for using NVIDIA though, I’m sure it’s much smoother with Intel and AMD hardware. Yeah, I can confirm that AMD on Linux just fucking works and has for ages. I've not used any recent Intel 3D accelerator cards, but if their new stuff is as solid as their stuff from like twenty years ago, then it'll also just fucking work.
    - giancarlostoro 1y ago
      > Yeah, I can confirm that AMD on Linux just fucking works and has for ages. I've not used any recent Intel 3D accelerator cards, but if their new stuff is as solid as their stuff from like twenty years ago, then it'll also just fucking work. I've had the complete opposite experience. It's only now that I'm using Nvidia that Linux works for me... I hate to admit it, I'm an AMD fanboy.
      - simoncion 1y ago
        > It's only now that I'm using Nvidia that Linux works for me... I hate to admit it, I'm an AMD fanboy. Weird. I've been using AMD hardware on Linux for the past ~twenty years... since back when they were ATi. Aside from when one had to write one's own Xorg.conf [0], everything has just worked. Having said that, all of my laptops have used Intel graphics hardware, so perhaps none of my ATi- or AMD-video-card-bearing systems properly suspended to RAM or hibernated? I wouldn't know because that's not something I do with my desktops or servers. [0] Or whatever XFree86 called that config file
quchen 1y ago
My gaming PC is a very unloved Windows machine, if not for that I'd be long gone (everything else is Linux). Come to think of it, gaming is why I used windows in the first place, starting with 95. With the Steam Deck and its push for Linux compat I don't see the next generation being so windows focused either.
- eutropia 1y ago
  I built a newish gaming PC on AMD components and flashed SteamOS onto it. It just works out of the box, although it does sort of think that it's an oversized steamdeck. My previous gaming PC was a 2016-vintage windows machine with a very hacked and lobotomized win10, so nvidia graphics drivers were starting to become a problem what with the lack of windows update and all that...
- bavell 1y ago
  I play all my steam games on Linux/proton, zero issues for years now.
- N-Krause 1y ago
  I am running all my games from linux nowadays. Using nixos with steam (games run via proton) and hyprland. Works like a charm.
- giancarlostoro 1y ago
  I have been gaming on Linux for like nearly two years now. Proton just works. I recommend either Arch or a Ubuntu based distro I can't vouch for other distros, though I'm sure they can run Steam just fine (but SteamOS was once Debian based and now its Arch based so it makes sense to me). I am using EndeavourOS with KDE (Arch based, with a GUI installer) daily for nearly a year now, before that I was on POP_OS! but I wanted more up to date packages.
  - ericbarrett 1y ago
    Proton had a bug that deleted all Steam Cloud saves made on Windows for any game I launched it with. Not sure if it is fixed yet because I'm scared to try again. Beware & make backups
whalesalad 1y ago
I built a beast of a workstation in '23 and it's had like 5 collective minutes of downtime since. Debian 12, KDE, 13900K, 128GB ram, 2x2TB nvme disks for my home dir in a btrfs mirror, a 4TB /var disk for containers, psql, etc. It's such a stable and consistent workhorse. Slack, Spotify, vscode, sublime, 1password, screen sharing, google meet, everything works great. Using Libreoffice/Onlyoffice in lieu of MS stack has not been an issue, even when doing extensive document comment reviews with financial companies etc who live on Microsoft tooling. The irony is that I am using this with a 5K Apple Studio Display, lol. The webcam and other onboard goodies do not work (can't control brightness) but the picture quality sure is good. The Linux desktop is 100% here.
- dijit 1y ago
  You can get the Studio Display to work pretty easily to be fair: you just need to pass through the video card to the motherboard and then run thunderbolt. I have Linux working with my Studio Display and it just worked out of the box; speakers, webcam and all. (though, the sound quality on the mac is better). The only issues were that when I use a USB-C capable graphics card, it only has displayport out over USB-C, and doesn't talk USB4/Thunderbolt to the rest of the computer.. so those devices don't get exposed to the motherboard at all. If you care- it's a kickass display anyway even if you don't.
  - whalesalad 1y ago
    So interestingly, I have an ASUS Thunderbolt EX4 add-in card, but it doesn't seem to work for me. > you just need to pass through the video card to the motherboard and then run thunderbolt I will have to experiment with this. I was using the little daisy chain cables that allow you to go out from GPU -> immediately IN to Thunderbolt card, then monitor was connected to Thunderbolt card. But I couldn't even get any output at all. Would be curious to hear more about your setup!
    - dijit 1y ago
      I have the same card. I "authorised" the Display in the KDE control panel, probably it was this: https://github.com/KDE/plasma-thunderbolt https://github.com/KDE/plasma-thunderbolt I did that before linking the USB-C cable to the gfx card, but I'm not sure if that's required or not? It's the only thing I did. I had multiple displays at the time, now I just have the Studio Display - if it doesn't work automatically without authorization I wonder how you would bootstrap it..
daveguy 1y ago
I used Linux as a daily driver in the late 1990s and early 2000s. Then switched back to Windows for work convenience. For the first time in about 20 years I have switched back to Linux as the daily driver. I have a windows 11 VM, in case I run into an xlsx file that libre office can't handle (rarely). Linux is just so much faster and cleaner that the convenience factor has shifted.
- giancarlostoro 1y ago
  Linux is even faster at running Windows games in some cases. ;)
sgjohnson 1y ago
> Assuming Apple itself doesn't bypass Little Snitch, I don't even think Apple is doing the level of telemetry Microsoft does. Apple doesn’t do all that much telemetry even if all the telemetry settings are enabled. Because you’re not a product to them. Which is probably why they didn’t even play in the AI race.
- jajko 1y ago
  Apple's ad revenue keeps climbing, and eventually it will be too big to ignore, while their products plateau with little innovation to show. Don't think they are immune to market forces that bend literally everybody else, at the end they have shareholders too.
  - sgjohnson 1y ago
    > while their products plateau with little innovation to show Seen the battery life figures on yesterday’s iPhones? And ARM revolution was just 5 years ago. I would hardly call it “little innovation to show”.
evoloution 1y ago
> Assuming Apple itself doesn't bypass Little Snitch, I don't even think Apple is doing the level of telemetry Microsoft does. Little snitch doesn't talk directly to the kernel's netfilter/iptables/nftables framework so some traffic may be hidden from it (low-level stuff that cannot be accessed via the API). I don't use it so I don't know if there is a way to bypass this in the settings or with special permission.
- giancarlostoro 1y ago
  You could always route your Mac through a device you can then monitor traffic on and get a ballpark. I don't see why Apple would do so much telemetry and go through so much effort to hide it though.
Workaccount2 1y ago
For me the most frustrating thing about linux is that it's distros are universally made by people who love linux, and the linux paradigm. I have used linux on and off for 20 years now, and every time I end up back on windows, and it's such a relief when I am back. And so upsetting that I cannot escape windows. Windows solves friction with GUI usability. Linux solves friction with expectation of CLI mastery. It's forever damned to the 5% of people who are willing to toil with a CLI (yes, I know your grandma uses it to check her e-mail, unfortunately the -only- thing she does is check email). Then we have the likes of Android and MacOS, which had product people force engineering to bury all CLI stuff.
- dijit 1y ago
  What do you mean, there's all kinds of extremely user focused distributions. If you need it to feel like Windows there's KDE - but if you're OK with changing your mind then things like ElemeteryOS (https://elementary.io/ https://elementary.io/) put a huge amount of focus on UX, accessibility, beauty and of course: usability. Aside from Archlinux, the majority of mainstream distributions bend over themselves to offer you GUIs for everything. Yes, the CLI is powerful and you will be better served by not avoiding it: but you can get by totally fine if you never open a single terminal on Ubuntu or Bazzite. This is written as a power-user lamenting having power, and presuming that non-power users will have to learn to be a power user.. that's just not a thing in linux since at least 2016.
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  - giancarlostoro 1y ago
    EndeavourOS is what I use, since I wanted to try Arch but I also refuse to run an OS install that does not have a GUI. The 90s where 30 years ago, every other major distro has a GUI installer OOTB.
    - dijit 1y ago
      I prefer to have control over my install with a command line. Isn’t it great that we both have options that cater to us! :D

joering2 1y ago

Obscure github scripts? Simplewall (Henry++) has entered the room.

giancarlostoro 1y ago
Lol every time I complain about Windows bloat someone sends me a random github repository as if that will make it better somehow. I don't need to debloat Linux or Mac...

simoncion 1y ago

My daily driver for decades has been Linux. A few months ago, I worked out how to run Steam as a different user under Xorg. [0] Since then, I've discovered that nearly all of the games I play (and I play a whole bunch of games) work fine under Linux with an AMD graphics card. I haven't booted into Windows in months. I'm so glad that folks like Valve have put so much effort into making Windows video games run fine on Linux. [0] It's not hard, and -like many such things- could totally be set up by a distro if they cared to do so.

dralley 1y ago
Yeah, the only games that I've found that don't run fine on Linux, are games where the game may actually work fine but the developer explicitly breaks support for anticheat reasons.
ARandumGuy 1y ago
The main hurdle for Linux gaming right now is kernel-level anticheat. Kernel-level anticheat is increasingly common in multiplayer games, and it does not play well with Linux. This makes it difficult to play new multiplayer games on Linux. Of course it's easy to argue that kernel-level anticheat gives way too much system access for a simple video game. But it's currently the most effective form of anticheat, and I don't see it going away anytime soon.
- simoncion 1y ago
  > This makes it difficult to play new multiplayer games on Linux. There are so many multiplayer games that don't use invasive kernel-mode anticheat. I and my friends have been playing them for quite a long while now. I agree that there are games that won't work because their invasive kernel-mode anticheat won't run under Wine or Proton (and their devs haven't bothered to port it to Linux). Honestly? I'm quite fine with that. There are so many great games out there; I'm totally okay with never again playing the insignificant percentage of them that demand full control of my computer.
  - ARandumGuy 1y ago
    You're right, and I realize my post implied that multiplayer was a complete non-starter on Linux, which isn't true. Kernel-level anticheat is mostly found in big, mainstream releases (especially competitive shooters). Of course, these games happen to be very popular, which gives them an outsized impact. Personally, I know that the upcoming Battlefield 6 is making me question if I want to switch to Linux once Windows 10 support dies. For a lot of people, being able to play 99% of games on Linux doesn't matter if they can't play one specific game they enjoy. It's a situation that just sucks all around, and I don't see it getting fixed anytime soon.
    - simoncion 1y ago
      > Of course, these games happen to be very popular, which gives them an outsized impact. On the one hand, true. On the other hand, I wonder how BF6's day 1 demand will compare with that of Silksong! > For a lot of people, being able to play 99% of games on Linux doesn't matter if they can't play one specific game they enjoy. Sure, yeah, agreed. And the only thing that's wrong with that is that they can't play the game they want to play. > Personally, I know that the upcoming Battlefield 6 is making me question if I want to switch to Linux once Windows 10 support dies. Yeah, BF6 demanding Secure Boot be enabled is fascinating. All that effort and they currently do (and will continue to) have cheaters. Plus, all it takes is one buggy widely-used kernel component to render the whole Secure Boot exercise pointless. Bear in mind that I'm quite a fan of first-person shooters when reading the following: It seems to me that the big-name Military-Themed Murder Simulators are all released on both PC and PS5 these days. It seems like many of them support attaching a mouse and keyboard to the console and giving you mouse+keyboard control. Honestly, if I ever get the urge to play one of those flashy-but-not-at-all-good-enough-to-justify-the-price-let-alone-the-invasive-kernel-mode-combination-snoopware-and-backdoors things again, I'll just get a copy for PS5 and attach a mouse and keyboard. Were I fifteen, I'd be likely to jump through the hoops they're presenting. But, I'm definitely no longer fifteen... and over those years, I've played so many -frequently way better- incarnations of whatever game the big studios are serving up this year. I guess it's a pity for them that years and years of accumulated experience have turned me into something of a low-key snob. ;)
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lupusreal 1y ago

There has never been a better time for Windows users to switch to Linux. Most desktop applications are getting replaced with websites, Valve is making herculean progress in getting games to run seamlessly on Linux and, most recently, LLMs have become very effective at helping new users understand and potentially fix their setups.

ioands 1y ago
That said, I did just spend almost half a day trying to debug why SuSE couldn’t see my NVIDIA card. After giving up on that, I tried Fedora which forces Wayland on me and was stuttery for no obvious reason. Finally I tried Arch and it seems to work fine without much fiddling about. Meanwhile I can buy a Mac and use it immediately, and Windows is a pain but I never have to try 100 solutions before it works. That’s on me for using NVIDIA though, I’m sure it’s much smoother with Intel and AMD hardware.
- simoncion 1y ago
  > That’s on me for using NVIDIA though, I’m sure it’s much smoother with Intel and AMD hardware. Yeah, I can confirm that AMD on Linux just fucking works and has for ages. I've not used any recent Intel 3D accelerator cards, but if their new stuff is as solid as their stuff from like twenty years ago, then it'll also just fucking work.
  - giancarlostoro 1y ago
    > Yeah, I can confirm that AMD on Linux just fucking works and has for ages. I've not used any recent Intel 3D accelerator cards, but if their new stuff is as solid as their stuff from like twenty years ago, then it'll also just fucking work. I've had the complete opposite experience. It's only now that I'm using Nvidia that Linux works for me... I hate to admit it, I'm an AMD fanboy.
    - simoncion 1y ago
      > It's only now that I'm using Nvidia that Linux works for me... I hate to admit it, I'm an AMD fanboy. Weird. I've been using AMD hardware on Linux for the past ~twenty years... since back when they were ATi. Aside from when one had to write one's own Xorg.conf [0], everything has just worked. Having said that, all of my laptops have used Intel graphics hardware, so perhaps none of my ATi- or AMD-video-card-bearing systems properly suspended to RAM or hibernated? I wouldn't know because that's not something I do with my desktops or servers. [0] Or whatever XFree86 called that config file

quchen 1y ago

My gaming PC is a very unloved Windows machine, if not for that I'd be long gone (everything else is Linux). Come to think of it, gaming is why I used windows in the first place, starting with 95. With the Steam Deck and its push for Linux compat I don't see the next generation being so windows focused either.

eutropia 1y ago
I built a newish gaming PC on AMD components and flashed SteamOS onto it. It just works out of the box, although it does sort of think that it's an oversized steamdeck. My previous gaming PC was a 2016-vintage windows machine with a very hacked and lobotomized win10, so nvidia graphics drivers were starting to become a problem what with the lack of windows update and all that...
bavell 1y ago
I play all my steam games on Linux/proton, zero issues for years now.
N-Krause 1y ago
I am running all my games from linux nowadays. Using nixos with steam (games run via proton) and hyprland. Works like a charm.
giancarlostoro 1y ago
I have been gaming on Linux for like nearly two years now. Proton just works. I recommend either Arch or a Ubuntu based distro I can't vouch for other distros, though I'm sure they can run Steam just fine (but SteamOS was once Debian based and now its Arch based so it makes sense to me). I am using EndeavourOS with KDE (Arch based, with a GUI installer) daily for nearly a year now, before that I was on POP_OS! but I wanted more up to date packages.
- ericbarrett 1y ago
  Proton had a bug that deleted all Steam Cloud saves made on Windows for any game I launched it with. Not sure if it is fixed yet because I'm scared to try again. Beware & make backups

whalesalad 1y ago

I built a beast of a workstation in '23 and it's had like 5 collective minutes of downtime since. Debian 12, KDE, 13900K, 128GB ram, 2x2TB nvme disks for my home dir in a btrfs mirror, a 4TB /var disk for containers, psql, etc. It's such a stable and consistent workhorse. Slack, Spotify, vscode, sublime, 1password, screen sharing, google meet, everything works great. Using Libreoffice/Onlyoffice in lieu of MS stack has not been an issue, even when doing extensive document comment reviews with financial companies etc who live on Microsoft tooling. The irony is that I am using this with a 5K Apple Studio Display, lol. The webcam and other onboard goodies do not work (can't control brightness) but the picture quality sure is good. The Linux desktop is 100% here.

dijit 1y ago
You can get the Studio Display to work pretty easily to be fair: you just need to pass through the video card to the motherboard and then run thunderbolt. I have Linux working with my Studio Display and it just worked out of the box; speakers, webcam and all. (though, the sound quality on the mac is better). The only issues were that when I use a USB-C capable graphics card, it only has displayport out over USB-C, and doesn't talk USB4/Thunderbolt to the rest of the computer.. so those devices don't get exposed to the motherboard at all. If you care- it's a kickass display anyway even if you don't.
- whalesalad 1y ago
  So interestingly, I have an ASUS Thunderbolt EX4 add-in card, but it doesn't seem to work for me. > you just need to pass through the video card to the motherboard and then run thunderbolt I will have to experiment with this. I was using the little daisy chain cables that allow you to go out from GPU -> immediately IN to Thunderbolt card, then monitor was connected to Thunderbolt card. But I couldn't even get any output at all. Would be curious to hear more about your setup!
  - dijit 1y ago
    I have the same card. I "authorised" the Display in the KDE control panel, probably it was this: https://github.com/KDE/plasma-thunderbolt https://github.com/KDE/plasma-thunderbolt I did that before linking the USB-C cable to the gfx card, but I'm not sure if that's required or not? It's the only thing I did. I had multiple displays at the time, now I just have the Studio Display - if it doesn't work automatically without authorization I wonder how you would bootstrap it..

daveguy 1y ago

I used Linux as a daily driver in the late 1990s and early 2000s. Then switched back to Windows for work convenience. For the first time in about 20 years I have switched back to Linux as the daily driver. I have a windows 11 VM, in case I run into an xlsx file that libre office can't handle (rarely). Linux is just so much faster and cleaner that the convenience factor has shifted.

giancarlostoro 1y ago
Linux is even faster at running Windows games in some cases. ;)

sgjohnson 1y ago

> Assuming Apple itself doesn't bypass Little Snitch, I don't even think Apple is doing the level of telemetry Microsoft does. Apple doesn’t do all that much telemetry even if all the telemetry settings are enabled. Because you’re not a product to them. Which is probably why they didn’t even play in the AI race.

jajko 1y ago
Apple's ad revenue keeps climbing, and eventually it will be too big to ignore, while their products plateau with little innovation to show. Don't think they are immune to market forces that bend literally everybody else, at the end they have shareholders too.
- sgjohnson 1y ago
  > while their products plateau with little innovation to show Seen the battery life figures on yesterday’s iPhones? And ARM revolution was just 5 years ago. I would hardly call it “little innovation to show”.

evoloution 1y ago

> Assuming Apple itself doesn't bypass Little Snitch, I don't even think Apple is doing the level of telemetry Microsoft does. Little snitch doesn't talk directly to the kernel's netfilter/iptables/nftables framework so some traffic may be hidden from it (low-level stuff that cannot be accessed via the API). I don't use it so I don't know if there is a way to bypass this in the settings or with special permission.

giancarlostoro 1y ago
You could always route your Mac through a device you can then monitor traffic on and get a ballpark. I don't see why Apple would do so much telemetry and go through so much effort to hide it though.

Workaccount2 1y ago

For me the most frustrating thing about linux is that it's distros are universally made by people who love linux, and the linux paradigm. I have used linux on and off for 20 years now, and every time I end up back on windows, and it's such a relief when I am back. And so upsetting that I cannot escape windows. Windows solves friction with GUI usability. Linux solves friction with expectation of CLI mastery. It's forever damned to the 5% of people who are willing to toil with a CLI (yes, I know your grandma uses it to check her e-mail, unfortunately the -only- thing she does is check email). Then we have the likes of Android and MacOS, which had product people force engineering to bury all CLI stuff.

dijit 1y ago
What do you mean, there's all kinds of extremely user focused distributions. If you need it to feel like Windows there's KDE - but if you're OK with changing your mind then things like ElemeteryOS (https://elementary.io/ https://elementary.io/) put a huge amount of focus on UX, accessibility, beauty and of course: usability. Aside from Archlinux, the majority of mainstream distributions bend over themselves to offer you GUIs for everything. Yes, the CLI is powerful and you will be better served by not avoiding it: but you can get by totally fine if you never open a single terminal on Ubuntu or Bazzite. This is written as a power-user lamenting having power, and presuming that non-power users will have to learn to be a power user.. that's just not a thing in linux since at least 2016.
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- giancarlostoro 1y ago
  EndeavourOS is what I use, since I wanted to try Arch but I also refuse to run an OS install that does not have a GUI. The 90s where 30 years ago, every other major distro has a GUI installer OOTB.
  - dijit 1y ago
    I prefer to have control over my install with a command line. Isn’t it great that we both have options that cater to us! :D