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Poland shoots down drones in its airspace during Russian attack on Ukraine

56 points by consumer451 1y ago

rasz 1y ago
Multiple interceptions over 40km deep, no victims, one building damaged. I hope my gov invokes Nato Article 5. We cant be handling this BS alone.
- jacquesm 1y ago
  Hang in there. I saw three airports were closed for a while, not sure if that is still the case (Rzeszow, Warsaw, Lublin). I have a lot of family and friends in the Eastern part of Poland all the way up to the border. It looks like NATO assets were already used in the response, a dutch tanker flew to refuel the F35s that were in on this.
- rasz 1y ago
  New drone crash site found in Opoczno, over 400km in straight line from Belarus border. 1/3 way to Berlin, record holder is still 2022 KH-55 that fell in Bydgoszcz and made Germany send Patriot to Poland.
  - jacquesm 1y ago
    I sent you mail.
- crazybonkersai 1y ago
  If NATO wanted to confront Russia directly, they would have done it already. The truth is that NATO has no desire to go to war with Russia directly, a proxy war in Ukraine is the most NATO is prepared to do. Triggering article 5 would do nothing and only show everyone how toothless it is. Besides article 5 does nothing else than calling members to discuss the matter and further plans.
fennec-posix 1y ago
https://archive.is/eDJUa https://archive.is/eDJUa
consumer451 1y ago
This is significant, is it not? This is the first time a NATO member has directly destroyed Russian (if that is the case) military hardware, since when? edit: To answer my own question, since only 2015 when a Turkish F-16 shot down a Russian Su-24.
- jacquesm 1y ago
  Yes, very much so. I was passing through Eastern Poland a few weeks ago and saw a patriot deployed in a field, up and running and ready to go. That's a first as long as I've traveled, to see active military resources deployed on NATO allied territory outside of an exercise.
  - sam_lowry_ 1y ago
    Isn't it the one along the road to Hel? Lots of peeple see this one, as Hel is a major tourist destination. I was there when a Russian ship tried to cut an underwater powerline, the back-and forth of Navy ships and helicopters lasted a few hours. Super impressive.
    - jacquesm 1y ago
      No, different one between two major Polish cities. I'm not going to do the russians work for them by detailing exactly where I spotted it and I highly doubt many people would have seen it the way it was camouflaged. It's interesting how many people seem to be under the impression that 'NATO isn't responding' because they're not giving Putin what he wants: direct involvement of NATO so he has another excuse to escalate (as if he needs one). Meanwhile, you can't move half a centimeter in all of Eastern Poland without an update on some situation monitor somewhere. You get a very nice but extremely pointy SMS when you approach the Suwalki gap that leaves absolutely no room for doubt that you are entering a militarized zone and that there are standing orders to use live weapons so obey any and all instructions immediately and without so much as a 'but'. It's a bit funny because I have family in the region and was already aware of it but the degree to which they are bluntly informing the general public now is a clear indication that things have heated up considerably.
fjfaase 1y ago
Finally, there is a response. In the past days several drones flew through Polish airspace on their way to Ukrane. Putin is constantly escalating in this war. I read that the missile that hit the government building a few days ago, did not explode. There was but a luke warm response to that in the west. It won't surprise me, if another attempt will follow.
baybal2 1y ago
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mindcriminal 1y ago
Is there anyone who can explain why two attacks happened yesterday, but only one of them is allowed to be discussed here?
- iyn 1y ago
  I think you raise a valid point and I've seen it multiple times already that links/stories about Israel's crimes tend to be flagged on HN and not shown to most users. I don't have a good explanation.
  - jacquesm 1y ago
    So are stories about Russian attacks on Ukraine. This one is the exception so far and likely only because it involves a NATO member. And I still wouldn't be surprised if it got flagged.
    - krapp 1y ago
      It's a relatively slow thread without an obviously provocative title, that's probably the only reason it hasn't been flagged yet.
  - seszett 1y ago
    > I don't have a good explanation. Russians are somewhat shut off from the Internet and HN is blocked there as far as I know. And although polls say they support the war, it seems more like passive support/apathy than an active support of their government. On the other hand, Israel does not significantly censor the Internet and the Israeli citizens largely support their government, so it makes sense they influence the rankings disproportionately compared to Russians.
    - drysine 1y ago
      >HN is blocked there as far as I know No, it is not
  - gxnxcxcx 1y ago
lawn 1y ago
Poland is also calling for article 4.
belter 1y ago
Reminder that Agent Krasnov a few days ago, was applauding Putin in US soil. This is the type of indulgent behavior that emboldens war criminals and endagers both Europe and the US.

56 points by consumer451 1y ago

rasz 1y ago

Multiple interceptions over 40km deep, no victims, one building damaged. I hope my gov invokes Nato Article 5. We cant be handling this BS alone.

jacquesm 1y ago
Hang in there. I saw three airports were closed for a while, not sure if that is still the case (Rzeszow, Warsaw, Lublin). I have a lot of family and friends in the Eastern part of Poland all the way up to the border. It looks like NATO assets were already used in the response, a dutch tanker flew to refuel the F35s that were in on this.
rasz 1y ago
New drone crash site found in Opoczno, over 400km in straight line from Belarus border. 1/3 way to Berlin, record holder is still 2022 KH-55 that fell in Bydgoszcz and made Germany send Patriot to Poland.
- jacquesm 1y ago
  I sent you mail.
crazybonkersai 1y ago
If NATO wanted to confront Russia directly, they would have done it already. The truth is that NATO has no desire to go to war with Russia directly, a proxy war in Ukraine is the most NATO is prepared to do. Triggering article 5 would do nothing and only show everyone how toothless it is. Besides article 5 does nothing else than calling members to discuss the matter and further plans.

fennec-posix 1y ago

https://archive.is/eDJUa https://archive.is/eDJUa

consumer451 1y ago

This is significant, is it not? This is the first time a NATO member has directly destroyed Russian (if that is the case) military hardware, since when? edit: To answer my own question, since only 2015 when a Turkish F-16 shot down a Russian Su-24.

jacquesm 1y ago
Yes, very much so. I was passing through Eastern Poland a few weeks ago and saw a patriot deployed in a field, up and running and ready to go. That's a first as long as I've traveled, to see active military resources deployed on NATO allied territory outside of an exercise.
- sam_lowry_ 1y ago
  Isn't it the one along the road to Hel? Lots of peeple see this one, as Hel is a major tourist destination. I was there when a Russian ship tried to cut an underwater powerline, the back-and forth of Navy ships and helicopters lasted a few hours. Super impressive.
  - jacquesm 1y ago
    No, different one between two major Polish cities. I'm not going to do the russians work for them by detailing exactly where I spotted it and I highly doubt many people would have seen it the way it was camouflaged. It's interesting how many people seem to be under the impression that 'NATO isn't responding' because they're not giving Putin what he wants: direct involvement of NATO so he has another excuse to escalate (as if he needs one). Meanwhile, you can't move half a centimeter in all of Eastern Poland without an update on some situation monitor somewhere. You get a very nice but extremely pointy SMS when you approach the Suwalki gap that leaves absolutely no room for doubt that you are entering a militarized zone and that there are standing orders to use live weapons so obey any and all instructions immediately and without so much as a 'but'. It's a bit funny because I have family in the region and was already aware of it but the degree to which they are bluntly informing the general public now is a clear indication that things have heated up considerably.

fjfaase 1y ago

Finally, there is a response. In the past days several drones flew through Polish airspace on their way to Ukrane. Putin is constantly escalating in this war. I read that the missile that hit the government building a few days ago, did not explode. There was but a luke warm response to that in the west. It won't surprise me, if another attempt will follow.

baybal2 1y ago

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mindcriminal 1y ago

Is there anyone who can explain why two attacks happened yesterday, but only one of them is allowed to be discussed here?

iyn 1y ago
I think you raise a valid point and I've seen it multiple times already that links/stories about Israel's crimes tend to be flagged on HN and not shown to most users. I don't have a good explanation.
- jacquesm 1y ago
  So are stories about Russian attacks on Ukraine. This one is the exception so far and likely only because it involves a NATO member. And I still wouldn't be surprised if it got flagged.
  - krapp 1y ago
    It's a relatively slow thread without an obviously provocative title, that's probably the only reason it hasn't been flagged yet.
- seszett 1y ago
  > I don't have a good explanation. Russians are somewhat shut off from the Internet and HN is blocked there as far as I know. And although polls say they support the war, it seems more like passive support/apathy than an active support of their government. On the other hand, Israel does not significantly censor the Internet and the Israeli citizens largely support their government, so it makes sense they influence the rankings disproportionately compared to Russians.
  - drysine 1y ago
    >HN is blocked there as far as I know No, it is not
- gxnxcxcx 1y ago

lawn 1y ago

Poland is also calling for article 4.

belter 1y ago

Reminder that Agent Krasnov a few days ago, was applauding Putin in US soil. This is the type of indulgent behavior that emboldens war criminals and endagers both Europe and the US.