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It's far from fair given that if _I_ breach copyright and get caught, I go to jail, not just pay a fine.
by shermozle 1y ago
It's far from fair given that if _I_ breach copyright and get caught, I go to jail, not just pay a fine.
- decremental 1y ago[flagged]
- dragonwriter 1y agoYou can, but criminal copyright infringement has narrower scope as well as more stringent standard of proof compared to civil copyright infringement.
- koolala 1y agoEven if you don't pay the exorbitant fines?
- weird-eye-issue 1y agoTechnically at that point it would be for something like contempt of court if you had a judgment against you and you just ignored it
- stevage 1y agoWhat? Who goes to jail over copyright infringement?
- kg 1y ago> Penalties to be applied in cases of criminal copyright infringement (i.e., violations of 17 U.S.C. § 506(a)), are set forth at 18 U.S.C. § 2319. Congress has increased these penalties substantially in recent years, and has broadened the scope of behaviors to which they can apply. See this Manual at 1847. > Statutory penalties are found at 18 U.S.C. § 2319. A defendant, convicted for the first time of violating 17 U.S.C. § 506(a) by the unauthorized reproduction or distribution, during any 180-day period, of at least 10 copies or phonorecords, or 1 or more copyrighted works, with a retail value of more than $2,500 can be imprisoned for up to 5 years and fined up to $250,000, or both. 18 U.S.C. §§ 2319(b), 3571(b)(3). If you broaden it to include DMCA violations you could spend a lot of time in jail. It's even worse in some other countries.
- Lerc 1y agoDoes the $2500 count if it is 25 $100 instances? Similarly does the 10 copies cover 10 items copied once or does it need to be one item copied at least 10 times?
- lazide 1y agoIf you piss off someone enough to care, they’ll do the maximum and see if you plea down - or the judge agrees. With a typical torrenter, it would be straightforward to make some truly monumental penalties. The reality is, they rarely care.
- stevage 1y agoAre there any examples of small-time infringers actually going to jail?
- sokoloff 1y agoGiven the topic at hand, would you consider Anthropic’s actions “small-time infring[ing]”?
- hmmokidk 1y ago…Aaron Swartz?!
- kylecazar 1y agoThe case against Aaron was more farcical than copyright infringement, which they couldn't/didn't bring against him.
- Lerc 1y agoHe was charged with wire fraud, computer fraud, unlawfully obtaining information from a protected computer, and recklessly damaging a protected computer. Granted, the motivation was the copyright infringement, but to do what they did they needed to dress it up.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y ago> Granted, the motivation was the copyright infringement And this is why it is correct to say that he was persecuted for copyright infringement. Noting that he wasn't charged with anything related to copyright doesn't change the story, it only makes it less agreeable.
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- s3graham 1y ago:(
- beadmomsw 1y agoThanks!
- DyslexicAtheist 1y agoarent the US trying to extradite Kim Dotcom for years now? (or were at least in the past)
- Terr_ 1y agoGosh, now you've got me feeling old, as I remember inveterate fraudster "Kim Kimble" circa 2001, trying to convince everyone that he was a glorious visionary general of anti-Al-Queda army of hackers...
- dragonwriter 1y ago> It's far from fair given that if _I_ breach copyright and get caught, I go to jail, not just pay a fine. This settlement has nothing to do with any criminal liability Anrhropic might have, only tort liability (and it doesn’t involves damages, not fines.)
- stingraycharles 1y agoAlso, you can’t put a business in jail.
- ra 1y agoNo, but you can jail directors if a company has committed a crime.
- echoangle 1y agoBut you can put the people that made the decision or are responsible for it in jail (or prison).
- Draiken 1y agoIsn't this wishful thinking? This basically never happens. Theory vs reality is very real.
- zzzeek 1y agoHuh ? Ask Sam Bankman-Fried, ask Enron, people go to jail for corporate crime all the time, are you meaning just for copyright infringement?
- tomrod 1y agoRelative the amount of corporate malfeasance that occurs? Hardly anyone.
- digdugdirk 1y agoPlease, name 5 more "big name" examples.
- mcv 1y agoYeah, but this is a corporation. They don't go to jail. They're only people when it's beneficial to them.
- _carbyau_ 1y agoThey can be caught out. Such as being at a Coldplay concert...
- weird-eye-issue 1y agoNo you wouldn't
- singpolyma3 1y agoYou don't though
- YetAnotherNick 1y agoYou wont be put to jail if you breach copyright in almost any country, at least not just for downloading content from libgen or torrent. If you are talking about Swartz, he was going to jail for wire fraud and hacking not breaching copyright.
- illiac786 1y agoWow, where do you live? I don’t get fined 7000USD for illegally downloading 3 books for example, much less. Although if I’m a repeat offender it can go up to prison I think.