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Anthropic is endorsing SB 53
- some_guy_nobel 1y agoI remember when Anthropic first started and waxed poetic about intentions. This, the recent case, and the DoD (sorry, Department of War) partnerships seem to show just how much of that was pure bullshit. Curious how all of the employees who professed similar sentiment, EA advocation, etc. justify their work now. A paycheck is a paycheck, sure, but when you're already that well-off, the rest of the world will see you for what you really are *shrug*.
- dmitrygr 1y ago> the rest of the world will see you for what you really are I am sure they will take that in stride while wiping their tears with wads of crisp new hundreds
- some_guy_nobel 1y agoOf course they won't, them being hypocrites is exactly my point. I just hope the world can see a spade for a spade and roll-their-eyes at the future statements of safety/inclusion they love to profess.
- Tyrubias 1y agoCould you clarify what you mean? I understand why the DoD partnership is ethically dubious, but I don’t understand why SB 53 is bad. It seems like the opposite of a military partnership.
- storus 1y agoRegulatory capture, pulling the ladder behind them.
- Muromec 1y agoRegulating the industry, when supported by industry, indicates that company wants regulatory act as moat and prevent competition. That and "ethically dubious" is underselling genocide enablers transgressions
- brookst 1y agoAre you saying the only ethically valid path is for all companies to oppose all regulation? Supporting any regulation at all can only be from bad motives, and therefore should be avoided?
- some_guy_nobel 1y agoHow on earth did you come to the conclusion that anyone here is talking about all regulation? This is a very specific form of regulation, and one that very clearly only benefits incumbents with (vast sums of) previous investment. Anthropic is advocating applying "regulation-for-thee, but not for me."
- Muromec 1y ago>Supporting any regulation at all can only be from bad motives, and therefore should be avoided? It's just vibe check heuristic -- if the regulated throws a tantrum telling how switching to USB-C charging or opening up the app store will get them out of businees (spoilers -- it never does), it's probably a good one, if the regulated cheers on, it may be to stiff competition. The opposite is true with certain countries -- whenever you hear one telling loudly that "sanctions don't hurt at all and only make me stronger", then you know it hurts.
- jedberg 1y ago> (sorry, Department of War) FWIW executive orders do not have the force of law. The official name is still Department of Defense. Department of War is now an acceptable alternative only. To officially change the name requires an act of Congress.
- cma 1y agoThey had a relationship with the NSA long before they partnered with the Department of War, they were the first to of all the frontier model companies according to Dean Ball, former Trump Whitehouse AI Policy advisor, in a recent interview with Nathan Labenz.
- ronsor 1y agoAnthropic is by far the most moralizing and nanny-like AI company, complete with hypocrisy (Pentagon deals) and regulatory capture/ladder-pulling (this here).
- deepsun 1y agoYou're asserting that cooperating with Defense is hypocrisy. I would say the other way, as recent events show, Defense is the only department everyone should be glad to collaborate with. Or do you mean collaborating with only Pentagon is hypocrisy, not other DoD-s?
- dingnuts 1y agodepartment of war you mean
- terminalshort 1y agoAlways has been
- brookst 1y agoI can see disliking deals with the Pentagon, but where's the hypocrisy? Did they say that nobody should do deal with the Pentagon?
- wagwang 1y agoThe hypocrisy is that they constantly doom about ai existential risks but theyre also constantly training stoa models.
- whatthedangit 1y agoWould you find it more agreeable for them to dismiss safety entirely?
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- willahmad 1y agoI wish we get better alternatives to Anthropic sooner. Fortunately, OSS models like GLM, Qwen are catching up Obviously, it's good for them if things are regulated, but bad for all of us.
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- pton_xd 1y ago> Develop and publish safety frameworks, which describe how they manage, assess, and mitigate catastrophic risks—risks that could foreseeably and materially contribute to a mass casualty incident or substantial monetary damages. Develop technology to monitor user interactions. They're already doing this anyway [0]. > Report critical safety incidents to the state within 15 days, and even confidentially disclose summaries of any assessments of the potential for catastrophic risk from the use of internally-deployed models. Share user spy logs with the state. Again, already doing this anyway [0]. I guess the attitude is, if we're going to spy on our users, everyone needs to spy on their users? Then the lack of privacy isn't a disadvantage but just the status quo. [0] https://www.anthropic.com/news/detecting-countering-misuse-aug-2025 https://www.anthropic.com/news/detecting-countering-misuse-a...
- varenc 1y agoI don't think 'critical safety incidents' or 'summaries of any assessments of the potential for catastrophic risk from the use of internally-deployed models' are user logs? Unless I'm misunderstanding.
- huevosabio 1y agoThis reeks of regulatory capture.
- antimora 1y agoAnthropic saying they want "stronger" requirements is easy when you're helping write them. The tell is that they're endorsing a bill that just happens to match what they're already doing - classic regulatory capture where industry turns their business model into law and calls it "safety."
- carom 1y agoCatastrophic AI risk is such a larp. The systems are not sentient. The risk will always be around the human driving the LLM, not the LLM itself. We already have laws governing human behavior, company behavior. If an entity violates a law using an LLM, it has nothing to do with the LLM.
- computerphage 1y agoWhy do you think systems need to be sentient to be risky?
- jwilber 1y agoOP isn’t talking about systems at large, but specifically about LLMs and the pervasive idea that they will turn agi and go rogue. Pretty clear context given the thread and their comment.
- computerphage 1y agoI understood that from the context, but my question stands. I'm asking why OP thinks that sentience is necessary for risk in AI
- TNDnow 1y agoHow much runway does Dario have left?
- CuriouslyC 1y agoDoesn't matter. Anthropic's position is untenable, and unlike OpenAI who is planning to pivot to consumer gear (i.e. Apple 2.0), Anthropic doesn't have another play, so when Google has fully mobilized, they're done.
- kelnos 1y agoAny time I see a company in support of regulation that they would also have to comply with, all I can think is the proposed regulations are something the company is already doing, or isn't a burden for them, but would create a higher barrier of entry for new competitors.
- biophysboy 1y agoAI already has significant cost of entry, given the amount of data/compute you need. Why would regulatory compliance be the limiting burden?
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- loeg 1y agoWhy not advocate for additional burdens?
- biophysboy 1y agoAll I'm doing is challenging a vague accusation. You can claim regulatory capture for any proposal. All policy has tradeoffs; speculating vaguely about negative consequences does not help me weigh that balance.
- nothrabannosir 1y agoIn a profit driven world, regulatory capture is the default assumption. Genuine corporate philanthropy is the exception that deserves special attention. Suspecting a company to act in its own profit enhancing interest is borderline tautological.
- bombcar 1y agoRegulatory capture is the name of the game. And it’s huge.
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- terminalshort 1y ago> Develop and publish safety frameworks, which describe how they manage, assess, and mitigate catastrophic risks—risks that could foreseeably and materially contribute to a mass casualty incident or substantial monetary damages. > Report critical safety incidents to the state within 15 days, and even confidentially disclose summaries of any assessments of the potential for catastrophic risk from the use of internally-deployed models. > Provide clear whistleblower protections that cover violations of these requirements as well as specific and substantial dangers to public health/safety from catastrophic risk. So just a bunch of useless bureaucracy to act as a moat to competition. The current generation of models is nowhere close to being capable of generating any sort of catastrophic outcome.
- lukeplato 1y agoI think an unrestricted model with sufficient inference time compute could create unprecedented catastrophes. Not sure why you would be opposed to whistleblower protections
- vorpalhex 1y agoBecause those models already exist and can be run on consumer available hardware with no real issues. All this does is create barriers for Anthropic competitors.