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I guess Apple finally listened to all the people saying they want a smaller phone, and totally misunderstood what that meant
by dwedge 1y ago
I guess Apple finally listened to all the people saying they want a smaller phone, and totally misunderstood what that meant
- abirch 1y agoMy wife has a 13 mini and is sad she'll have to go to a larger phone.
- euroderf 1y agoYes the 13 mini is a decent followup to the SE series. Except that the face recog is broken UI garbage.
- layer8 1y agoThe mini has still around 2-3 years of life left; we may yet get lucky.
- ch4s3 1y agoYeah, it's really the perfect size if you're not trying to use it like a tiny ipad. I'm super frustrated that they won't make another 5.4" screen.
- aurareturn 1y agoThe problem is that these people are very loud on the internet but sales for small phones are abysmal. The laptop class (myself included) just don't understand. A huge portion of the world only has 1 computer and it's their phone. They rely on it for work, entertainment, and connectivity. They don't have a laptop where they can do all these things on whenever they want. Their phone is it. They want a big screen phone. It's no surprise that every time Apple made the screen bigger, it sold better. I loved my 13 Mini but I understand why Apple has given up on it. It was a very good effort. They tried. Didn't sell. Maybe a foldable can solve this problem for both sides.
- taeric 1y agoIt is a lot like demand for spacious pockets in fashionable clothing. People largely think you can get that with no tradeoff on anything regarding the clothes. And, you just can't. So, for phones, people say they want a small one to fit in your pocket. With, fair. But that generally means a smaller screen when you are using it. Which people don't really want. Foldables help a ton with this. And I think that will ultimately pan out. People are understandably worried about being early on that train, though.
- dwedge 1y agoFoldables are weird at the moment, they are bulky and the aspect ratio (because it's a square) means that the viewable screen is often comparable to the S24 for example.
- qafy 1y agoexactly. the only reason the 13 mini even existed at all is because it was too late to cancel the model entirely when the absolutely abysmal sales numbers for the 12 mini finally rolled in. my partner absolutely loves her 13 mini, but agreed its a very vocal minority
- hedgehog 1y agoThey didn't put the good cameras in the Minis so it wasn't really a good experiment. I don't want a cheaper phone, just a smaller one. The improved camera is the only reason I upgraded past the 1st gen SE.
- mrexroad 1y agoThis. While I’m still using the mini form factor—incidentally, as are most of my friends—I long for a better camera.
- scyzoryk_xyz 1y agoIf this was a bet my money would be that they release "minis" every say 3-4 years - the current 13 mini is within lifecycle imo
- jstummbillig 1y ago"all the people" do not exist. Apple is obviously good for building small devices. They have built multiple of them, explicitly, against the direction the market was going. If "all the people" wanted these phones, they would still exist.
- dwedge 1y agoThere's a linguistic difference between "all the people" wanting something and "everyone" wanting something.
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- jstummbillig 1y agoWhat is it?
- dkga 1y agoI don’t like gigantic phones but smaller phones are incredibly hard to type for me
- supportengineer 1y agoI'm considering adding a physical keyboard [0] similar to this one. [0] https://www.clicks.tech https://www.clicks.tech so that I may relive my Palm Treo glory days.
- rogerkirkness 1y agoYeah I was really hoping for the phone to be smaller in different dimensions. Thinness is the least important of them.
- rplnt 1y agoYou wouldn't sell any smart watches if you could actually use the phone with your hand.
- abhinavk 1y agoIt's a vocal minority on the internet which also owns a lots of other computing devices. I'm one. IMHO most people in the real world increasingly use their smartphone as their primary computer and want a big screen.
- mezod 1y agolooks like my iPhone SE 2nd gen will need to survive a 6th year lmao
- Nextgrid 1y agoI built up a bit of a stash before they discontinued them for good. Hopefully the (sealed and unused) batteries don't degrade too much while in storage so I can have enough spares to last me until software support is discontinued. It's like the modern equivalent of a wine reserve.
- mezod 1y agohaha nice one, but mine is already struggling with all the glass effects
- orionsbelt 1y agoThe Air is going to be very popular.
- BoorishBears 1y agoThis comment section is making me realize the gulf between the average dev and the average consumer (again) This is the first iPhone is 5+ years that is will be hard to ignore for the massive base of users who'd given up on yearly upgrades. I came here expecting to see that reflected (and see how others feel about the camera trade-off) but it's mostly repetitive comments asking who wants a thinner phone (ignoring it's almost 40% lighter than the most of the Pro Max devices out there)
- darkteflon 1y agoYeah. Air: 6.5in, 165gm Pro 17: 6.9in, 233gm My current Pro Max 15: 6.7in, 221gm Coming from the PM15, I give up 0.2in, but it weighs 56gm less. I do 95%+ of my reading on my phone - articles, books, everything. But I find the PM15 screen juuuuust slightly too large to be comfortable in the hand, and the normal Pro screen much too small for lots of reading. And I’ve been noticing early signs of RSI. These dimensions are the goldilocks combination I’ve been waiting for.
- dwedge 1y agoI'll be honest when I first saw the post I was intrigued, I thought it looked beautiful. Then I saw the size of the camera, the eSim only trade off, the boast about "all day battery" and slowly but surely started to realise that the things I care about in a phone are not those that would be hidden by a case. If they made the thinnest ever fold, then maybe. The 40% lighter is nice though.
- ewhanley 1y agoThis seems to be true for almost every product update. Everyone hates everything. It's true when a new gen of a car comes out - "I guess I'm keeping my <last gen> model forever." or user interfaces or seemingly anything else. People hate change and predict the massive failure of every product revision. Flash forward six months and everyone has forgotten about these rants and likely owns the new version. Now, someone will come along and say "well, I personally" - Apple/Toyota/whoever doesn't care about "you personally", they care about everyone else who is going to buy the product. I'm not saying this is good or bad, it just is.
- LoganDark 1y agoNo, Apple's been obsessed with thin & light for decades. Only with Apple Silicon did that actually result in usable devices.
- amluto 1y agoThey nailed it. Big horizontal dimensions so it’s hard to hold in one hand (yes, I realize that many users want this, but many users don’t want this), a big thick camera so it doesn’t actually fit well in slim pockets (but lots of young people seem to like their phone sticking out of their pocket?!), and super thin everywhere else so a high capacity battery doesn’t fit. Nice job! Seriously, Apple has not attempted a narrow high-end phone since the iPhone 5. The 12 and 13 minis were not positioned as premium phones and they did not have great cameras or battery life. If Apple had tried for a 13 Pro Mini and it didn’t sell, then maybe I’d believe that their market statistics were worth something.