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If you don't know who Geoffrey Hinton is, I suggest you make a trip to Wikipedia post haste. Our modern LLM renaissance wouldn't exist without him.

nurettin 1y ago
Ehhh it sounds like he's a poster boy who rode on the success of others (LeCun, Deepmind) and says whatever the current popular opinion is until proven wrong and shows no hint of predictive capability.
- glitchc 1y ago
  Say what? Show some respect, son! Hinton published the seminal paper on backpropagation. He also invented Boltzmann machines, unsupervised learning and mixture of ecperts models. He championed machine learning for 20 years even though there was zero funding for it through the 80s and 90s. He was Yann LeCun's PhD adviser. That means Yann LeCun didn't know ass from tea kettle until Hinton introduced him to machine learning. Know perchance a fellow by the name of Ilya Sutskever? ChatGPT ring any bells? Also a student of Hinton's. The list is very long.
  - nurettin 1y ago
    Frankly, this all sounds like hero worship and the language is very cringe. I know the backprop paper. I've read it in the early 2000s. And I remember Hinton as a co-author. Same with Boltzmann machines. Co-author. "Advisor to that great guy", "Teacher of this great guy", "Nobel price together with that guy" <- all of this leads me to the above conclusion. YMMV
    - qwertytyyuu 1y ago
      Come on there is space for theatrics on hacker news
    - polotics 1y ago
      just one example of the halo effect: having been instrumental in the development of an important technology doesn't magically make one an expert in the economic impact of that technology, as economy is a completely different field of study
    - sriram_malhar 1y ago
      Frankly, this all sounds like hero worship and the language is very cringe. "Frankly, I just want to be a contrarian"
      - nurettin 1y ago
        "Hell hath no fury like a conformist scorned"
    - glitchc 1y ago
      I'm not a fanboy, far from it. I'm not affiliated with the lab or his work. I'm not even a big fan of machine learning. But Hinton's contributions to the field cannot be understated. He single-handedly kept it alive for two decades amid a massive lack of funding. Anyone who has worked in research will attest that this is an incredible feat. People on Hacker News seems to idolize the lone genius who somehow pulled himself up from his bootstraps. That person does not exist. The truth is that great minds are made, moulded into shape. That the best people behind our AI technology emerged from his lab is no coincidence. Those trash-talking Hinton on this forum are unlikely to achieve 1/100th of what he has accomplished. “The housecat may mock the tiger,” said the master, “but doing so will not make his purr into a roar.” [1] [1] http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/unix-koans/end-user.html http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/unix-koans/end-user.html
      - nurettin 1y ago
        Ah, someone who enjoys defending his tigers against cats. Well, enjoy your low hanging fruits, tiger. Someone "so knowledgeable" and totally not a poster boy making bold claims that don't come true at all will continue not making sense to me. But don't get me wrong, I know this is an old man shakes fist at cloud kind of situation. Who cares what doesn't make sense to me anyway? My academic circles don't, and they do fine. I continue to contribute what little I can. But my field is more SR than NN.
  - pizzalife 1y ago
    “Show some respect?” Do these historical accolades give him a blank check to be wrong in the present?
    - eloisant 1y ago
      re-read the comment he was responding to. "sounds like he's a poster boy who rode on the success of others" The person who wrote that didn't even bother checking who Hinton was before pulling that sentence out of their ass.

nurettin 1y ago

Ehhh it sounds like he's a poster boy who rode on the success of others (LeCun, Deepmind) and says whatever the current popular opinion is until proven wrong and shows no hint of predictive capability.

glitchc 1y ago
Say what? Show some respect, son! Hinton published the seminal paper on backpropagation. He also invented Boltzmann machines, unsupervised learning and mixture of ecperts models. He championed machine learning for 20 years even though there was zero funding for it through the 80s and 90s. He was Yann LeCun's PhD adviser. That means Yann LeCun didn't know ass from tea kettle until Hinton introduced him to machine learning. Know perchance a fellow by the name of Ilya Sutskever? ChatGPT ring any bells? Also a student of Hinton's. The list is very long.
- nurettin 1y ago
  Frankly, this all sounds like hero worship and the language is very cringe. I know the backprop paper. I've read it in the early 2000s. And I remember Hinton as a co-author. Same with Boltzmann machines. Co-author. "Advisor to that great guy", "Teacher of this great guy", "Nobel price together with that guy" <- all of this leads me to the above conclusion. YMMV
  - qwertytyyuu 1y ago
    Come on there is space for theatrics on hacker news
  - polotics 1y ago
    just one example of the halo effect: having been instrumental in the development of an important technology doesn't magically make one an expert in the economic impact of that technology, as economy is a completely different field of study
  - sriram_malhar 1y ago
    Frankly, this all sounds like hero worship and the language is very cringe. "Frankly, I just want to be a contrarian"
    - nurettin 1y ago
      "Hell hath no fury like a conformist scorned"
  - glitchc 1y ago
    I'm not a fanboy, far from it. I'm not affiliated with the lab or his work. I'm not even a big fan of machine learning. But Hinton's contributions to the field cannot be understated. He single-handedly kept it alive for two decades amid a massive lack of funding. Anyone who has worked in research will attest that this is an incredible feat. People on Hacker News seems to idolize the lone genius who somehow pulled himself up from his bootstraps. That person does not exist. The truth is that great minds are made, moulded into shape. That the best people behind our AI technology emerged from his lab is no coincidence. Those trash-talking Hinton on this forum are unlikely to achieve 1/100th of what he has accomplished. “The housecat may mock the tiger,” said the master, “but doing so will not make his purr into a roar.” [1] [1] http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/unix-koans/end-user.html http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/unix-koans/end-user.html
    - nurettin 1y ago
      Ah, someone who enjoys defending his tigers against cats. Well, enjoy your low hanging fruits, tiger. Someone "so knowledgeable" and totally not a poster boy making bold claims that don't come true at all will continue not making sense to me. But don't get me wrong, I know this is an old man shakes fist at cloud kind of situation. Who cares what doesn't make sense to me anyway? My academic circles don't, and they do fine. I continue to contribute what little I can. But my field is more SR than NN.
- pizzalife 1y ago
  “Show some respect?” Do these historical accolades give him a blank check to be wrong in the present?
  - eloisant 1y ago
    re-read the comment he was responding to. "sounds like he's a poster boy who rode on the success of others" The person who wrote that didn't even bother checking who Hinton was before pulling that sentence out of their ass.