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Musk has said he didn't see a market or need for an affordable car, so any reduction in battery cost is just profit for them

by petee 1y ago

ncr100 1y ago
Politics aside, Musk is lying there -- or at least telling some people what they want to hear while behaving differently elsewhere .. politics aside. Tesla's received favorable attention for it's "claim" they are (were?) working on a $30k car. And that techno-ideological claim that "all you need for self-driving is a camera" is a cost-savings solution. [ A robotics prof, ( I think at a university in Philadelphia ? ) cites a statistic that camera based navigation will succeed 97% of the time, max. So, 3% failures over all scenarios. ]
- bdangubic 1y ago
  Politics aside, Musk is lying there Musk hasn’t said anything that isn’t a lie since when I could dunk the basket (a loooong while ago)
panick21_ 1y ago
What he actually thinks is that autonomous vehicles would collapse the car market. That's why he things that. So literally he killed the affordable 'Model 2' because self driving would destroy 80% of the market and if that was true there wasn't demand. So he decided to only focus on 'RoboTaxi'.
- bilsbie 1y ago
  I feel like this is an error in his thinking. People really want to own cars. That won’t change even if taxis are ubiquitous and cheap.
  - panick21_ 1y ago
    I disagree at least in the longer term, I don't think people want to own cars. Generally people are not car people, bike people or train people, most people just react to what makes the most sense. In the 70s people in the Netherlands they were not 'bike people' but now that's what they look like. Same in the US, most people are not car obsessed, they have simply been 'brainwashed' into a society where you 'need' a car. And therefore everybody says they want to own a car, because the idea of not having a car or not wanting a car is like hating Apple Pie and the American Way. If you watch urbanist youtube, you will see the topic discussed, people who live their whole live in the subburbs don't even understand how people without a car get groceries. This is a common question that gets asked. Yes, some people are 'car' people, just there are people on bikes, even when it is not very save. But that's going to be a small group of people, just as there is now for bikes in dangerous places. In a world where you don't need a car, and its cheaper to not have one, the waste majority of people will not adopt 'car' as a hobby. That said, even optimistically if 'full self driving' happened, that would take decades. And the 'car' hobby in the US would survive a very long time, 100000000s of millions of garages and parking spot have already been built, millions of people have been educated on car repair and so on and so on. So I think even if full self driving was solved, the culture shit would take a generation.

Musk has said he didn't see a market or need for an affordable car, so any reduction in battery cost is just profit for them

by petee 1y ago

Musk has said he didn't see a market or need for an affordable car, so any reduction in battery cost is just profit for them

ncr100 1y ago

Politics aside, Musk is lying there -- or at least telling some people what they want to hear while behaving differently elsewhere .. politics aside. Tesla's received favorable attention for it's "claim" they are (were?) working on a $30k car. And that techno-ideological claim that "all you need for self-driving is a camera" is a cost-savings solution. [ A robotics prof, ( I think at a university in Philadelphia ? ) cites a statistic that camera based navigation will succeed 97% of the time, max. So, 3% failures over all scenarios. ]

bdangubic 1y ago
Politics aside, Musk is lying there Musk hasn’t said anything that isn’t a lie since when I could dunk the basket (a loooong while ago)

panick21_ 1y ago

What he actually thinks is that autonomous vehicles would collapse the car market. That's why he things that. So literally he killed the affordable 'Model 2' because self driving would destroy 80% of the market and if that was true there wasn't demand. So he decided to only focus on 'RoboTaxi'.

bilsbie 1y ago
I feel like this is an error in his thinking. People really want to own cars. That won’t change even if taxis are ubiquitous and cheap.
- panick21_ 1y ago
  I disagree at least in the longer term, I don't think people want to own cars. Generally people are not car people, bike people or train people, most people just react to what makes the most sense. In the 70s people in the Netherlands they were not 'bike people' but now that's what they look like. Same in the US, most people are not car obsessed, they have simply been 'brainwashed' into a society where you 'need' a car. And therefore everybody says they want to own a car, because the idea of not having a car or not wanting a car is like hating Apple Pie and the American Way. If you watch urbanist youtube, you will see the topic discussed, people who live their whole live in the subburbs don't even understand how people without a car get groceries. This is a common question that gets asked. Yes, some people are 'car' people, just there are people on bikes, even when it is not very save. But that's going to be a small group of people, just as there is now for bikes in dangerous places. In a world where you don't need a car, and its cheaper to not have one, the waste majority of people will not adopt 'car' as a hobby. That said, even optimistically if 'full self driving' happened, that would take decades. And the 'car' hobby in the US would survive a very long time, 100000000s of millions of garages and parking spot have already been built, millions of people have been educated on car repair and so on and so on. So I think even if full self driving was solved, the culture shit would take a generation.