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You can only cut costs so much before you're selling the equivalent of a $50k geo metro. When they removed the center horn and the stalks from their cars, they

by tw04 1y ago

You can only cut costs so much before you're selling the equivalent of a $50k geo metro. When they removed the center horn and the stalks from their cars, they officially jumped the shark. But I bet they saved at least $50 per car from their costs. I still can't believe the NHTSA hasn't issued a recall.

thfuran 1y ago
Wait, how do you honk on a Tesla?
- easton 1y ago
  There’s a capacitive button on the newer steering wheels.
  - fujidust 1y ago
    Let me guess, you can pay a premium for the “old” style wheel and stalk?
  - brandonagr2 1y ago
    No, the horn is in the middle, the capacitive horn only steering wheel existed on early builds of the model S refresh (when plaid was first released), but after ~6 months they added the normal horn back. https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-DEB259CC-ABAC-4BFC-8D10-B7B1BBCFCB1F.html#D1E5767 https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-DEB259C... https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/models/en_us/GUID-DEB259CC-ABAC-4BFC-8D10-B7B1BBCFCB1F.html#D1E5767 https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/models/en_us/GUID-DEB259C...
    - light_hue_1 1y ago
      The X has a capacitive horn.
    - tw04 1y ago
      And for anyone with an S who wanted to not have that garbage? A $2k “upgrade” - only Tesla.
kaonwarb 1y ago
I get your broader point; comparison to a Geo Metro is a bit much.
- vel0city 1y ago
  Yeah, at least the Geo Metro had an easy to use horn, turn signal stalks, and reliably functional wipers.
  - OWaz 1y ago
    Also has an instrument panel the driver can easily see. I’ve driven a Model 3 and its handling and overall feel was worse than a barebones Honda Civic. I’d say a Model 3 is on par with how a low end Chrysler feels to drive.
    - mebizzle 1y ago
      I daily drive a Model 3 and when I rented a Honda Civic for a trip I thought it was broken with how long it took to get any speed. You're trolling regarding the Chrysler comment lol Why are you staring at your instrument panel and not the road? The speed is just a glance at the top corner as you should be focused on driving ;)
      - ponector 1y ago
        After driving car with HUD the Tesla's approach is laughable. Especially when you need to maintain different speed limits in the city. Reminds me cheap Peugeot 107 where tachometer is an extra option.
  - shermantanktop 1y ago
    And turns out that a small torquey engine in a car with very little mass is actually pretty fun to drive! Even if you’d prefer not to be seen doing it.
jmward01 1y ago
I loved driving my 3 cylinder convertible geo metro! It was the 'sport' version so you could actually hit 60 if you held the peddle down long enough but it rode like it was on rails because of how light it was!
guywithahat 1y ago
My new Y still has a horn and stock? And while everyone wishes their car was cheaper it was a lot nicer than a mustang Mach e, despite being cheaper
- tw04 1y ago
  > it was a lot nicer than a mustang Mach e Having owned both, I’m not even sure where to begin with how laughably inaccurate that is. We can start at functioning automatic wipers, 360 degree cameras, parking assist that actually works, a knob to control stereo volume, accurate marketing numbers for range, a dealership network that actually will fix the issue, insurance that isn’t insane, headlight brights that actually dim at an appropriate distance for oncoming traffic, cruise control that doesn’t phantom brake (slam on the brakes for no reason) traveling down the highway… Need I continue? Because I can.
  - guywithahat 1y ago
    > parking assist that actually works Are you sure you owned both? You're sort of exposing yourself as never having owned a Tesla at all (at least not a new one). I've never experienced phantom braking in my Y (although I have in a ford escort), and the headlight dimming is pretty good (again in the new model Y, unsure about an old one). Niceness is subjective, so I suppose it's inappropriate to declare it as nicer, but it is a premium car. The materials and experience are much nicer than, say, a Camry, and is on par with vehicles in its class if not better.
    - drewbitt 1y ago
      A base Model Y costs $18,000 more than a base Camry when the price is not being artificially lowered by the government. Different price range entirely.
      - guywithahat 1y ago
        Correct. That’s why the Model Y is in a different class than a Camry. The Camry is my example of a modern geo metro

by tw04 1y ago

thfuran 1y ago

Wait, how do you honk on a Tesla?

easton 1y ago
There’s a capacitive button on the newer steering wheels.
- fujidust 1y ago
  Let me guess, you can pay a premium for the “old” style wheel and stalk?
- brandonagr2 1y ago
  No, the horn is in the middle, the capacitive horn only steering wheel existed on early builds of the model S refresh (when plaid was first released), but after ~6 months they added the normal horn back. https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-DEB259CC-ABAC-4BFC-8D10-B7B1BBCFCB1F.html#D1E5767 https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-DEB259C... https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/models/en_us/GUID-DEB259CC-ABAC-4BFC-8D10-B7B1BBCFCB1F.html#D1E5767 https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/models/en_us/GUID-DEB259C...
  - light_hue_1 1y ago
    The X has a capacitive horn.
  - tw04 1y ago
    And for anyone with an S who wanted to not have that garbage? A $2k “upgrade” - only Tesla.

kaonwarb 1y ago

I get your broader point; comparison to a Geo Metro is a bit much.

vel0city 1y ago
Yeah, at least the Geo Metro had an easy to use horn, turn signal stalks, and reliably functional wipers.
- OWaz 1y ago
  Also has an instrument panel the driver can easily see. I’ve driven a Model 3 and its handling and overall feel was worse than a barebones Honda Civic. I’d say a Model 3 is on par with how a low end Chrysler feels to drive.
  - mebizzle 1y ago
    I daily drive a Model 3 and when I rented a Honda Civic for a trip I thought it was broken with how long it took to get any speed. You're trolling regarding the Chrysler comment lol Why are you staring at your instrument panel and not the road? The speed is just a glance at the top corner as you should be focused on driving ;)
    - ponector 1y ago
      After driving car with HUD the Tesla's approach is laughable. Especially when you need to maintain different speed limits in the city. Reminds me cheap Peugeot 107 where tachometer is an extra option.
- shermantanktop 1y ago
  And turns out that a small torquey engine in a car with very little mass is actually pretty fun to drive! Even if you’d prefer not to be seen doing it.

jmward01 1y ago

I loved driving my 3 cylinder convertible geo metro! It was the 'sport' version so you could actually hit 60 if you held the peddle down long enough but it rode like it was on rails because of how light it was!

guywithahat 1y ago

My new Y still has a horn and stock? And while everyone wishes their car was cheaper it was a lot nicer than a mustang Mach e, despite being cheaper

tw04 1y ago
> it was a lot nicer than a mustang Mach e Having owned both, I’m not even sure where to begin with how laughably inaccurate that is. We can start at functioning automatic wipers, 360 degree cameras, parking assist that actually works, a knob to control stereo volume, accurate marketing numbers for range, a dealership network that actually will fix the issue, insurance that isn’t insane, headlight brights that actually dim at an appropriate distance for oncoming traffic, cruise control that doesn’t phantom brake (slam on the brakes for no reason) traveling down the highway… Need I continue? Because I can.
- guywithahat 1y ago
  > parking assist that actually works Are you sure you owned both? You're sort of exposing yourself as never having owned a Tesla at all (at least not a new one). I've never experienced phantom braking in my Y (although I have in a ford escort), and the headlight dimming is pretty good (again in the new model Y, unsure about an old one). Niceness is subjective, so I suppose it's inappropriate to declare it as nicer, but it is a premium car. The materials and experience are much nicer than, say, a Camry, and is on par with vehicles in its class if not better.
  - drewbitt 1y ago
    A base Model Y costs $18,000 more than a base Camry when the price is not being artificially lowered by the government. Different price range entirely.
    - guywithahat 1y ago
      Correct. That’s why the Model Y is in a different class than a Camry. The Camry is my example of a modern geo metro