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Only if people keep using them. But user agency is still a thing - and there are alternatives ;)
by freediver 1y ago
Only if people keep using them. But user agency is still a thing - and there are alternatives ;)
- lillecarl 1y agoThat's the problem with megacorps, people can't just switch. Technical people could, can and do. "Normal users" will use what the broligarchy wants them to use.
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- JustExAWS 1y agoAnd how hard is it to switch from Google?
- lillecarl 1y agoIf you're an Apple user, hard. If you're an Android user, borderline impossible.
- raw_anon_1111 1y agoAs an Apple user - which I am - name one service that Google has that I can’t switch away from? If you buy a device whose operating system is developed and marketed by Google, why would you have any expectation to be able to switch from Google? And Android doesn’t even have 50% market share in the US so it’s definitely not a monopoly.
- lillecarl 1y agoYouTube, adsense, search, gmail. Not impossible, but very hard for many.
- raw_anon_1111 1y agoI don’t need YouTube, I have 1Blocker to block ads, I use ChatGPT for search and there are plenty of other mail providers - including Apple’s own.
- lillecarl 1y agoWhat do you work with? The initial comment was never about what someone in the industry can and can't do, most people browse the web without an adblocker.
- raw_anon_1111 1y agoAlmost a third of users use Adblockers. https://backlinko.com/ad-blockers-users https://backlinko.com/ad-blockers-users I’m almost sure that a third of the world’s population is not “in the industry”
- lillecarl 1y agoHow do you block ads on an iPhone? My argument was that for the average user it's hard to not deal with Google, you're yet to provide a single actual argument that I'm wrong.
- raw_anon_1111 1y agoIn Safari? Use one of the many content blockers available for iOS. They have been available for a decade. You haven’t provided a single argument where an iPhone user needs Google for anything. Your argument about only people “in the industry” using Adblockers was wrong.
- lillecarl 1y agoThey might not need Google, but they can't get away from them anyways. Google has entrenched themselves everywhere. You're arguing against your own interpretation of what I'm saying. People use the defaults, people use YouTube, people use Google, people use Gmail, people use Google Maps. 30% use adblockers which are manifestv2 style, they won't block anything companies want you to see. You can't block ads in apps.
- tremon 1y agoPray tell, what options for avoiding an unconstrained megacorp do I have when buying a smartphone?
- bitpush 1y agoI mean, building a smart phone is freaking hard. I cant say, 'gosh, I want to fly in a plane that is not made by the megacorps of Boeing & Airbus' I'd like to fly in a Logitech made airplane. Yeah, no. Some things are hard, and only some companies (at a certain scale) can do it.
- tremon 1y agoEven aerospace has more competition than smartphones: Embraer, Bombardier, Sukhoi, Antonov, Comac, and HAL -- to name just a few alternatives in passenger aviation. And there used to be a lot more manufacturers in Europe and the US as well, before the biggest capital went on a buying spree. But you seem to be agreeing with me. I was responding to this comment: > user agency is still a thing - and there are alternatives Would you say that was an accurate and realistic comment?
- dbbk 1y agoIs this a serious question? Android has no end of generic OEMs you can pick from, that have no Google software.
- tremon 1y agoYou do realize that Android is Google software, right? But if you can name a few vendors that are actually shipping AOSP instead of Google's proprietary tree, I'll be sure to evaluate them. Of all these generic OEMs you're thinking of, how many do not integrate with Google's Play Store? The only one I know of is Huawei, but that's just another unconstrained megacorp to avoid.