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From the footer: > Our World in Data is a project of Global Change Data Lab, a nonprofit based in the UK (Reg. Charity No. 1186433). I'm a Brit too, but this

From the footer: > Our World in Data is a project of Global Change Data Lab, a nonprofit based in the UK (Reg. Charity No. 1186433). I'm a Brit too, but this article felt a bit too self-congratulatory given I've read other recent reports about other places (cites, regions, and entire countries) with overall safer roads; kinda like how we love to tell everyone how chuffed we are with how safe our AC plugs are.

louthy 1y ago
> kinda like how we love to tell everyone how chuffed we are with how safe our AC plugs are. I never see Brits saying this. Only people from other nations. The plugs are the safest though!
- DaiPlusPlus 1y ago
  Oblig: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEfP1OKKz_Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEfP1OKKz_Q
  - louthy 1y ago
    Oblig: https://youtu.be/139Q61ty4C0?feature=shared https://youtu.be/139Q61ty4C0?feature=shared https://youtu.be/92YHhed3B-Y?feature=shared https://youtu.be/92YHhed3B-Y?feature=shared https://youtu.be/dTPuYf30B1M?feature=shared https://youtu.be/dTPuYf30B1M?feature=shared https://youtu.be/efh4k6TJa2c?feature=shared https://youtu.be/efh4k6TJa2c?feature=shared https://youtu.be/2rQiiOKIEcU?feature=shared https://youtu.be/2rQiiOKIEcU?feature=shared https://youtu.be/eeT5xtc_Dd4?feature=shared https://youtu.be/eeT5xtc_Dd4?feature=shared +1000s more…
    - DaiPlusPlus 1y ago
      > I never see Brits saying this ...but that was my point: Tom Scott is British.
      - louthy 1y ago
        Right. I had never seen it. That was my point. Now I’ve seen 1.
PaulRobinson 1y ago
Our AC plugs are, however, the safest design on the planet. I think if these guys are honest about their numbers - and the main number they're calling out is a 22-fold decline in road deaths per mile driven in the last 75 years, which is remarkable - and shows those other safer regions in their comparisons, what is the problem?
- zik 1y ago
  > Our AC plugs are, however, the safest design on the planet. Not if you step on them with bare feet - those things are worse than LEGO. They could punch through a horse's hoof.
  - marliechiller 1y ago
    why are you stepping on them?
    - throwaway290 1y ago
      because sometimes you unplug it and leave it around. unless you live like a king sometimes there is 2 sockets and you have 5 devices to plug at different times. european and other ones will be on the side so stepping on it is no problem but uk ones will be the pointy end up
      - masfuerte 1y ago
        Live like a king! Are these prices beyond your means? https://www.argos.co.uk/search/extension-lead/ https://www.argos.co.uk/search/extension-lead/
        throwaway290 1y ago
        I have one too! 3 out of 6 plugs stopped working! I have 2 plugs outside of mini kitchen area and I have laptop, phone charger, camera charger, 2 ikea lamps, ....... there are no uk plugs here so I'm not complaining:) if keeping everything plugged works for you, awesome!
JimDabell 1y ago
The article starts off with a graph showing the UK has 2 deaths per 100k people, with Norway, Malta, Singapore, and Sweden at 1.9. It then finishes by saying: > If every country could lower its rates to those of the UK, Sweden, or Norway, this number would be just under 200,000. We’d save one million lives every year. The article wasn’t making the case that the UK is the absolute best, it was discussing what the UK did to change from being unsafe to much safer.
zelos 1y ago
It would be more interesting to compare the rates of serious injury (including death), I think. That would remove the effect of improvements in medical treatement over time.
rgblambda 1y ago
>kinda like how we love to tell everyone how chuffed we are with how safe our AC plugs are. I would actually love to see some data that compares total deaths and injuries per capita from electrocution from plugs across different countries. I have a feeling the total worldwide figures are tiny in comparison to injuries from stepping barefoot/putting your knee on UK plugs. Also, UK plugs tend to have the wire coming out the bottom and then curving upwards as the electrical device is usually above the socket, over time resulting in an exposed wire, while most other plugs have the wire coming out the centre.
- closewith 1y ago
  The big danger from outlets and plugs is fire rather than electric shock, which is what you'd need to compare.
- mjg59 1y ago
  The nominal idea is that having them come straight out encourages people to remove plugs by pulling on the cord, which introduces even more strain than having a curved wire - although maybe this ends up being an argument to mount UK sockets the other way up?
- ajb 1y ago
  I've never seen a plug that has an exposed wire for that reason - all the plugs have a heavy clamp internally that attaches to the outer sheath, preventing the movement that would cause this. I would suspect that any plugs where wear has caused exposure are either properly ancient, or were wired incorrectly (eg by trimming the outer sheath short of the clamp).
Theodores 1y ago
Definitely self-congratulatory. I chose active travel over car dependency at an early age. I also worked in the cycle trade. My opinion is that roads have become far more dangerous, however, most of what can be killed by the car has already been killed and the reason for fewer deaths is slimmer pickings. Children and the elderly are two canaries in the coal mine. Kids used to get new bicycles at Christmas, play in the streets and be 'free range' in the UK. Nowadays they are all welded to mobile phones and cocooned in SUVs. Only something like one on four know how to ride a bicycle nowadays and that Christmas trade in bicycles died thirty years ago. Although you see a fair few Lime bikes and people commuting by bicycle in London, most bicycles are sold to rich people for them to strap to cars, for them to drive to a designated safe spot, for them to ride from the car park in a loop back to the car park. You never see these bicycles parked up next to the door at a supermarket or even at a railway station, partly due to the risk of theft, but also due to the dangers of the road. As for the elderly, nowadays they are boomers and they all have cars. They only give up their car keys when they get condemned to retirement homes. Hence, like kids, old people are not to be found in the streets, unless cocooned in tin boxes. As for being cocooned in a tin box, what happened to spirited driving? In the 1970s it was normal for people to cross the country with no sat nav or seat belt, driving as if they were in a Group B rally car, taking their special shortcuts, drunk, with cigarette in hand. Nowadays this doesn't happen, people in cars just shuffle from traffic light to traffic light fearing CCTV and speed cameras. We have also priced out younger motorists, who would have been the 'spirited drivers'. Hitchhiking used to exist in the 1970s. Thatcher era stranger danger put an end to that, so nobody hitchhikes these days. Does this mean that hitchhiking is safer? No! There is another aspect of car dependency and 'safety'. Sure, you might not get killed in an ultra-violent crash in a tin-box cocoon, however, what about cardiovascular disease? Being car dependent and eating the convenience foods of the car dependent is a shortcut to obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, cognitive decline and death by blocked arteries. The government knows this, and this is why 'active travel' is a phrase. By 2030 the UK government wants more than half of all journeys in built up areas to be 'active travel' rather than lame car dependency.

louthy 1y ago

> kinda like how we love to tell everyone how chuffed we are with how safe our AC plugs are. I never see Brits saying this. Only people from other nations. The plugs are the safest though!

DaiPlusPlus 1y ago
Oblig: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEfP1OKKz_Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEfP1OKKz_Q
- louthy 1y ago
  Oblig: https://youtu.be/139Q61ty4C0?feature=shared https://youtu.be/139Q61ty4C0?feature=shared https://youtu.be/92YHhed3B-Y?feature=shared https://youtu.be/92YHhed3B-Y?feature=shared https://youtu.be/dTPuYf30B1M?feature=shared https://youtu.be/dTPuYf30B1M?feature=shared https://youtu.be/efh4k6TJa2c?feature=shared https://youtu.be/efh4k6TJa2c?feature=shared https://youtu.be/2rQiiOKIEcU?feature=shared https://youtu.be/2rQiiOKIEcU?feature=shared https://youtu.be/eeT5xtc_Dd4?feature=shared https://youtu.be/eeT5xtc_Dd4?feature=shared +1000s more…
  - DaiPlusPlus 1y ago
    > I never see Brits saying this ...but that was my point: Tom Scott is British.
    - louthy 1y ago
      Right. I had never seen it. That was my point. Now I’ve seen 1.

PaulRobinson 1y ago

Our AC plugs are, however, the safest design on the planet. I think if these guys are honest about their numbers - and the main number they're calling out is a 22-fold decline in road deaths per mile driven in the last 75 years, which is remarkable - and shows those other safer regions in their comparisons, what is the problem?

zik 1y ago
> Our AC plugs are, however, the safest design on the planet. Not if you step on them with bare feet - those things are worse than LEGO. They could punch through a horse's hoof.
- marliechiller 1y ago
  why are you stepping on them?
  - throwaway290 1y ago
    because sometimes you unplug it and leave it around. unless you live like a king sometimes there is 2 sockets and you have 5 devices to plug at different times. european and other ones will be on the side so stepping on it is no problem but uk ones will be the pointy end up
    - masfuerte 1y ago
      Live like a king! Are these prices beyond your means? https://www.argos.co.uk/search/extension-lead/ https://www.argos.co.uk/search/extension-lead/
      - throwaway290 1y ago
        I have one too! 3 out of 6 plugs stopped working! I have 2 plugs outside of mini kitchen area and I have laptop, phone charger, camera charger, 2 ikea lamps, ....... there are no uk plugs here so I'm not complaining:) if keeping everything plugged works for you, awesome!

JimDabell 1y ago

The article starts off with a graph showing the UK has 2 deaths per 100k people, with Norway, Malta, Singapore, and Sweden at 1.9. It then finishes by saying: > If every country could lower its rates to those of the UK, Sweden, or Norway, this number would be just under 200,000. We’d save one million lives every year. The article wasn’t making the case that the UK is the absolute best, it was discussing what the UK did to change from being unsafe to much safer.

zelos 1y ago

It would be more interesting to compare the rates of serious injury (including death), I think. That would remove the effect of improvements in medical treatement over time.

rgblambda 1y ago

>kinda like how we love to tell everyone how chuffed we are with how safe our AC plugs are. I would actually love to see some data that compares total deaths and injuries per capita from electrocution from plugs across different countries. I have a feeling the total worldwide figures are tiny in comparison to injuries from stepping barefoot/putting your knee on UK plugs. Also, UK plugs tend to have the wire coming out the bottom and then curving upwards as the electrical device is usually above the socket, over time resulting in an exposed wire, while most other plugs have the wire coming out the centre.

closewith 1y ago
The big danger from outlets and plugs is fire rather than electric shock, which is what you'd need to compare.
mjg59 1y ago
The nominal idea is that having them come straight out encourages people to remove plugs by pulling on the cord, which introduces even more strain than having a curved wire - although maybe this ends up being an argument to mount UK sockets the other way up?
ajb 1y ago
I've never seen a plug that has an exposed wire for that reason - all the plugs have a heavy clamp internally that attaches to the outer sheath, preventing the movement that would cause this. I would suspect that any plugs where wear has caused exposure are either properly ancient, or were wired incorrectly (eg by trimming the outer sheath short of the clamp).

Theodores 1y ago

Definitely self-congratulatory. I chose active travel over car dependency at an early age. I also worked in the cycle trade. My opinion is that roads have become far more dangerous, however, most of what can be killed by the car has already been killed and the reason for fewer deaths is slimmer pickings. Children and the elderly are two canaries in the coal mine. Kids used to get new bicycles at Christmas, play in the streets and be 'free range' in the UK. Nowadays they are all welded to mobile phones and cocooned in SUVs. Only something like one on four know how to ride a bicycle nowadays and that Christmas trade in bicycles died thirty years ago. Although you see a fair few Lime bikes and people commuting by bicycle in London, most bicycles are sold to rich people for them to strap to cars, for them to drive to a designated safe spot, for them to ride from the car park in a loop back to the car park. You never see these bicycles parked up next to the door at a supermarket or even at a railway station, partly due to the risk of theft, but also due to the dangers of the road. As for the elderly, nowadays they are boomers and they all have cars. They only give up their car keys when they get condemned to retirement homes. Hence, like kids, old people are not to be found in the streets, unless cocooned in tin boxes. As for being cocooned in a tin box, what happened to spirited driving? In the 1970s it was normal for people to cross the country with no sat nav or seat belt, driving as if they were in a Group B rally car, taking their special shortcuts, drunk, with cigarette in hand. Nowadays this doesn't happen, people in cars just shuffle from traffic light to traffic light fearing CCTV and speed cameras. We have also priced out younger motorists, who would have been the 'spirited drivers'. Hitchhiking used to exist in the 1970s. Thatcher era stranger danger put an end to that, so nobody hitchhikes these days. Does this mean that hitchhiking is safer? No! There is another aspect of car dependency and 'safety'. Sure, you might not get killed in an ultra-violent crash in a tin-box cocoon, however, what about cardiovascular disease? Being car dependent and eating the convenience foods of the car dependent is a shortcut to obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, cognitive decline and death by blocked arteries. The government knows this, and this is why 'active travel' is a phrase. By 2030 the UK government wants more than half of all journeys in built up areas to be 'active travel' rather than lame car dependency.