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Yes, they all lacked work visas. Allegedly Hyundai subcontracted out the work to third parties who didn't bother to get work visas for their employees. Maybe K
by pnw 1y ago
Yes, they all lacked work visas. Allegedly Hyundai subcontracted out the work to third parties who didn't bother to get work visas for their employees.
Maybe Korean companies are used to getting away with that kind of thing? Seems fairly short sighted given the current focus on immigration.
- JKCalhoun 1y agoAlso short-sighted: pissing off our international partners that we would rather build factories in the U.S.
- pylua 1y agoAssuming that they are in illegally, the U.S. is the party that should be upset. If you are going to do business in the U.S. then you need to follow us laws.
- JKCalhoun 1y agoSomeone trying to be diplomatic might, for example, allow them a window of time within which to apply to extend their visas.
- refurb 1y agoThey never had valid work visas in the first place.
- JKCalhoun 1y agoI was speaking with regards to this from the article: "…others had entered the country legally but had expired visas…"
- pylua 1y agoMy reading of the situation is that it was done maliciously or with negligence. Extending the visa a non work visa doesn’t make any sense. I have sympathy for the workers. In reality it is the immmigration attorneys or other members of the company who need to be sanctioned.
- Redoubts 1y agoWhy? they’re being subsidized to hire Americans, not exploit foreign undocumented workers
- yongjik 1y agoYou can say you're (rightfully) upset, without throwing employees of a major investor onto a jail without functioning toilets. The problem is that the US is sending deeply conflicting messages. Does it want Hyundai's investment or not? It's not that Hyundai needs to build a factory in the middle of nowhere in Georgia.
- pylua 1y agoI’m having trouble following this argument. Are you saying Hyundai built this factory expecting to gain nothing in return ? It’s only logical that if you operate in the U.S. you follow basic U.S. laws.
- pnw 1y agoThey are not Hyundai employees. Hyundai subcontracted the work out, and the subcontractors failed to file for work visas. The problem is Hyundai chose their subcontractors very poorly.
- pavel_lishin 1y agoThe meaning of the comment of the person you're replying to doesn't significantly change if you replace "employees of" to "contractors of". You're picking at nits.
- runsWphotons 1y agoIt wants Hyundai's investment and it wants to create American jobs and also have Hyundai follow the laws. The extremity of the right is fueled by an apparently prevalent reluctance to enforce any rules.
- alchemical_piss 1y ago[dead]
- throwawaymaths 1y agoSo companies should be able to bribe the government and skirt laws at their expedience?
- pnw 1y agoSouth Korea deports Canadians and Americans regularly for not obtaining the correct visas. https://www.vancouverobserver.com/news/we-are-scared-and-we-feel-abandoned-teachers-bc-certified-school-south-korea-plead-help.html https://www.vancouverobserver.com/news/we-are-scared-and-we-...
- orwin 1y agoDo they cuff and detain them publicly? I mean, I understand public humiliation is something Usians like, but was it necessary here? To me, punishing the workers is so unimaginably cruel and pointless...
- pavel_lishin 1y agoI appreciate you linking a source, but this is a one-time story about 14 teachers from 2017.
- sndean 1y agoI don’t doubt that some Americans are deported each year from South Korea but I was unable to find any examples in the news other than this one in 2017. I wonder how regular it really is, or maybe it doesn’t get reported by any news source?
- detaro 1y ago> Yes, they all lacked work visas. Source?
- pnw 1y agoThis press conference is the source of all of the articles. https://www.youtube.com/live/AD7n_nSOorU https://www.youtube.com/live/AD7n_nSOorU 4:30 Describes the search warrants and arrests. 5:10 "475 were illegally present in the United States" 6:25 "Majority were Korean nationals" No criminal charges yet. It's an ongoing investigation.
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- PhantomHour 1y ago> 5:10 "475 were illegally present in the United States" Not quite; The figure includes those with visa. "Illegally present in the United States or in violation of their presence in the united states, working unlawfully" This also leaves open the question of what "violation of the visa" entails here. They may well have been working within their visas, only for ICE to arbitrarily rule otherwise.
- pnw 1y agoHe specifically mentions illegal entry and visa waiver, neither of which are work visas.
- ivewonyoung 1y agoIt gets a little confusing because ESTA(which South Koreans are eligible for) is valid for both tourist and business use, and is a visa waiver. As this comment[1] states with an official source: > A B-1 visa may be granted to specialized workers going to the United States to install, service, or repair commercial or industrial equipment or machinery purchased from a company outside of the United States, or to train U.S. workers to perform such services. Maybe the business use of ESTA also covers the above use cases? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45164008 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45164008
- Ancapistani 1y agoHyundai has a history of allowing - either knowingly/intentionally or not - subcontractors to violate US labor law. Example from 2022: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Alabama_child_labor_allegations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Alabama_child_labor_al...
- insane_dreamer 1y agoWho cares! They were building a factory in the US which is what we want other countries to do. This was done for theatre effect.