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Microsoft should create a new windows option in addition to Home, Professional and Pro and call this one "Windows OPTIMAL" They can price this 3x if they want b

Microsoft should create a new windows option in addition to Home, Professional and Pro and call this one "Windows OPTIMAL" They can price this 3x if they want but it has 0 bloatware, 0 telemetry or atleast everything can be disabled at the time of installation. It is literally windows designed from the ground up for maximum performance, runs as smooth as windows 7 or xp used to back in the good old days

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PeterStuer 1y ago
They wont as it would be admitting their 'normal' offering is anti-consumer.
- microtonal 1y ago
  Also, this is also the case with ad-disabling subscriptions, the people who have the disposable income to buy non-ad versions are the most interesting to a lot of advertisers.
  - dvfjsdhgfv 1y ago
    While I agree, when was the last time you bought something because you saw it advertised in Windows?
    - microtonal 1y ago
      Never. I haven't used Windows since... 3.11 :p.
    - immibis 1y ago
      Most people think ads don't make them buy things, but they still do. It's just not as direct as seeing the ad so you click on the ad and buy the thing. (Sometimes it's that direct and advertisers love it, but not usually) You're thirsty. Do you want a Coke or an Africola? Coke obviously - what the heck is Africola? Why do you want a Coke? Because you saw the Coke logo everywhere since birth.
      - 3836293648 1y ago
        To be fair, I've taken part in blind tests here and coke is by far the best option, though that is definitely partially due to it having been the default correct option for all my life
      - 1718627440 1y ago
        That might be true, for very specific market dominating companies, but these wouldn't really need any new advertisement. I'm not going to forget anytime soon, that CocaCola exists. For all the other companies its exactly the other way around. I will see products of a company, I know bothers me when I want to do something else, and a bunch of products I have no (negative) opinion yet. Guess which products I will evaluate? For an ad to leave a good impression it must be actually good, otherwise it achieves exactly the opposite. People used to buy advertisements, the ad industry destroyed this, by forcing people to look at ads. People don't like being forced.
QQ00 1y ago
for no telemetry and half the bloatware you can always use the enterprise version. it's also (n)x the price. there also the iot version which is more stripped down and get only security updates, no features updates or other craps. I don't think we will ever see a new version the way you described it, the amount of information Microsoft get from spying and telemetry is so much more profitable they even gave 10/11 for free.
- vivzkestrel 1y ago
  i want to be able to run games on it without a 100 programs running in the background. if Microsoft engineers really put their mind to it, they could create such an OS offering dedicated for gaming with literally nothing consuming your CPU and FPS except the game you are running
  - yifanl 1y ago
    BigTech arent interested in developing efficient products while they have a captive audience.
  - adithyassekhar 1y ago
    Have you seen the Xbox handheld os? They said they had incredible performance uplift just from tweaking windows.
  - dangus 1y ago
    Have you tried gaming on Linux? There really isn’t much reason not to these days. I find it difficult to find games that don’t work in Linux these days.
    - gausswho 1y ago
      Much as it bothers me, this is not remotely true for the most popular online multiplayer games. Invasive anti-cheat rootkits being okie doke on Windows.
      - 1y ago
dijit 1y ago
isn’t this IoT LTSC? thats what i use it for, comes with no new feature updates (which is sometimes annoying as some software depends on some Windows feature updates) and you have to buy 5x licences- and its more expensive. but it works.
- qwezxcrty 1y ago
  I just searched and it appears that contrary to what I thought, it is possible to individually acquire Windows 11 Enterprise (IoT or non-IoT) LTSC licenses from some redistributors. The price varies a lot from suprisingly cheap ($7.7, is buykeysoft.com legit?) to a bit expensive but acceptable (~200 CHF). I'll definitely use these when I'm setting up my new desktop in the future.
  - dijit 1y ago
    The issue I tend to have with redistributors is that ultimately: it might not end up being a valid license. What's the difference between outright piracy and buying an invalid (but functioning) CD key? Legally: nothing. If a key is minted to be used only in certain areas or for certain purposes (healthcare, education) and it's sold to me- I don't have a right to use it. That's the really annoying thing about these CD key online things, they give the illusion of doing the right thing but ultimately it's the same issue. Truthfully I don't think any of us will be audited, but it's an annoying situation I continually see. People think just because money changed hands that they're legal.
    - dvfjsdhgfv 1y ago
      I was thinking a lot about it as I don't want to put anything illegal on my computer. OTOH, the only way to buy an older version (in my case, Office 2016 for Mac) is to use a reseller. I try to do a research, I try to find a reputable one, I receive an invoice, I install and active the software, it works, but in the end it's as you say - there is no certainty at all. But in the end I'm fine with that. First, the vendor is no longer selling this product, second, there is only that much one can do.
xandrius 1y ago
Already exists, just not to the normies. IoT LTSC. Works like a charm and no bloat.
- closetkantian 1y ago
  Can I run this on my laptop?
  - xandrius 1y ago
    Yep!
- WithinReason 1y ago
  It will also miss feature upgrades and so can be slower than the main distribution. It's probably fine if you don't play games.
  - helqn 1y ago
    If anything feature upgrades will make your computer slower. There is no universe in which LTSC is slower than the regular release.
  - GoblinSlayer 1y ago
    Feature updates only add more bloat and slow down the system.
  - blibble 1y ago
    no-one wants "feature upgrades" windows was feature complete with Windows 2000
  - xandrius 1y ago
    It's fine even if you play games. When the time comes, you'll get the update and do the update manually.
- hn-ifs 1y ago
  This is what I use in a VM on my Linux host whenever I need to run something Windows. I don't game and all my software is cross platform. Windows still has a few things I miss, programs like notepad++ (for which there's no true Linux equivalent), and portable apps (with Linux equivalents not really coming close, but understandably so). Windows really is a broken OS solely set up for spying on users.
mzajc 1y ago
There are already some such oddities between Home and Pro; to my knowledge, Home will only allow disk encryption if you let Microsoft ""back up"" your key by signing into a Microsoft account. Pro has no such requirement.
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Eddy_Viscosity2 1y ago
> windows designed from the ground up for maximum performance They are fundamentally incapable of doing this. The senior management are incapable of even imagining in a dream of a windows that didn't spy on its users while also forcing them to use the software managers want in the way managers want. Even if some dev team managed to make one (it would have to be on the sly), and guerrilla marketed it, and it was a giant hit, the managers would just force all the spyware and bloat and restrictions over time. They can't help but do it.
- hakfoo 1y ago
  It would fit into the product matrix where Vista and Win7 Ultimate did: explicitly targeting enthusiasts, parts-builders and boutique shops where they want to convey that you're getting a cost-no-object build. Or being able to sell it as an aftermarket license upgrade would be a way to get more revenue from people who were otherwise going to ride an OEM Home license for which MS had a negotiated rate of 34 cents per machine. OTOH, one thing about the ongoing advertising/enshittification bubble is that it seems to distort people's understanding of revenue and NPV. They'd rather have the possibility of infinite future ad/spyware revenue even when people are clamoring to offer up-front real cash instead.

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PeterStuer 1y ago

They wont as it would be admitting their 'normal' offering is anti-consumer.

microtonal 1y ago
Also, this is also the case with ad-disabling subscriptions, the people who have the disposable income to buy non-ad versions are the most interesting to a lot of advertisers.
- dvfjsdhgfv 1y ago
  While I agree, when was the last time you bought something because you saw it advertised in Windows?
  - microtonal 1y ago
    Never. I haven't used Windows since... 3.11 :p.
  - immibis 1y ago
    Most people think ads don't make them buy things, but they still do. It's just not as direct as seeing the ad so you click on the ad and buy the thing. (Sometimes it's that direct and advertisers love it, but not usually) You're thirsty. Do you want a Coke or an Africola? Coke obviously - what the heck is Africola? Why do you want a Coke? Because you saw the Coke logo everywhere since birth.
    - 3836293648 1y ago
      To be fair, I've taken part in blind tests here and coke is by far the best option, though that is definitely partially due to it having been the default correct option for all my life
    - 1718627440 1y ago
      That might be true, for very specific market dominating companies, but these wouldn't really need any new advertisement. I'm not going to forget anytime soon, that CocaCola exists. For all the other companies its exactly the other way around. I will see products of a company, I know bothers me when I want to do something else, and a bunch of products I have no (negative) opinion yet. Guess which products I will evaluate? For an ad to leave a good impression it must be actually good, otherwise it achieves exactly the opposite. People used to buy advertisements, the ad industry destroyed this, by forcing people to look at ads. People don't like being forced.

QQ00 1y ago

for no telemetry and half the bloatware you can always use the enterprise version. it's also (n)x the price. there also the iot version which is more stripped down and get only security updates, no features updates or other craps. I don't think we will ever see a new version the way you described it, the amount of information Microsoft get from spying and telemetry is so much more profitable they even gave 10/11 for free.

vivzkestrel 1y ago
i want to be able to run games on it without a 100 programs running in the background. if Microsoft engineers really put their mind to it, they could create such an OS offering dedicated for gaming with literally nothing consuming your CPU and FPS except the game you are running
- yifanl 1y ago
  BigTech arent interested in developing efficient products while they have a captive audience.
- adithyassekhar 1y ago
  Have you seen the Xbox handheld os? They said they had incredible performance uplift just from tweaking windows.
- dangus 1y ago
  Have you tried gaming on Linux? There really isn’t much reason not to these days. I find it difficult to find games that don’t work in Linux these days.
  - gausswho 1y ago
    Much as it bothers me, this is not remotely true for the most popular online multiplayer games. Invasive anti-cheat rootkits being okie doke on Windows.
    - 1y ago

dijit 1y ago

isn’t this IoT LTSC? thats what i use it for, comes with no new feature updates (which is sometimes annoying as some software depends on some Windows feature updates) and you have to buy 5x licences- and its more expensive. but it works.

qwezxcrty 1y ago
I just searched and it appears that contrary to what I thought, it is possible to individually acquire Windows 11 Enterprise (IoT or non-IoT) LTSC licenses from some redistributors. The price varies a lot from suprisingly cheap ($7.7, is buykeysoft.com legit?) to a bit expensive but acceptable (~200 CHF). I'll definitely use these when I'm setting up my new desktop in the future.
- dijit 1y ago
  The issue I tend to have with redistributors is that ultimately: it might not end up being a valid license. What's the difference between outright piracy and buying an invalid (but functioning) CD key? Legally: nothing. If a key is minted to be used only in certain areas or for certain purposes (healthcare, education) and it's sold to me- I don't have a right to use it. That's the really annoying thing about these CD key online things, they give the illusion of doing the right thing but ultimately it's the same issue. Truthfully I don't think any of us will be audited, but it's an annoying situation I continually see. People think just because money changed hands that they're legal.
  - dvfjsdhgfv 1y ago
    I was thinking a lot about it as I don't want to put anything illegal on my computer. OTOH, the only way to buy an older version (in my case, Office 2016 for Mac) is to use a reseller. I try to do a research, I try to find a reputable one, I receive an invoice, I install and active the software, it works, but in the end it's as you say - there is no certainty at all. But in the end I'm fine with that. First, the vendor is no longer selling this product, second, there is only that much one can do.

xandrius 1y ago

Already exists, just not to the normies. IoT LTSC. Works like a charm and no bloat.

closetkantian 1y ago
Can I run this on my laptop?
- xandrius 1y ago
  Yep!
WithinReason 1y ago
It will also miss feature upgrades and so can be slower than the main distribution. It's probably fine if you don't play games.
- helqn 1y ago
  If anything feature upgrades will make your computer slower. There is no universe in which LTSC is slower than the regular release.
- GoblinSlayer 1y ago
  Feature updates only add more bloat and slow down the system.
- blibble 1y ago
  no-one wants "feature upgrades" windows was feature complete with Windows 2000
- xandrius 1y ago
  It's fine even if you play games. When the time comes, you'll get the update and do the update manually.
hn-ifs 1y ago
This is what I use in a VM on my Linux host whenever I need to run something Windows. I don't game and all my software is cross platform. Windows still has a few things I miss, programs like notepad++ (for which there's no true Linux equivalent), and portable apps (with Linux equivalents not really coming close, but understandably so). Windows really is a broken OS solely set up for spying on users.

mzajc 1y ago

There are already some such oddities between Home and Pro; to my knowledge, Home will only allow disk encryption if you let Microsoft ""back up"" your key by signing into a Microsoft account. Pro has no such requirement.

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Eddy_Viscosity2 1y ago

> windows designed from the ground up for maximum performance They are fundamentally incapable of doing this. The senior management are incapable of even imagining in a dream of a windows that didn't spy on its users while also forcing them to use the software managers want in the way managers want. Even if some dev team managed to make one (it would have to be on the sly), and guerrilla marketed it, and it was a giant hit, the managers would just force all the spyware and bloat and restrictions over time. They can't help but do it.

hakfoo 1y ago
It would fit into the product matrix where Vista and Win7 Ultimate did: explicitly targeting enthusiasts, parts-builders and boutique shops where they want to convey that you're getting a cost-no-object build. Or being able to sell it as an aftermarket license upgrade would be a way to get more revenue from people who were otherwise going to ride an OEM Home license for which MS had a negotiated rate of 34 cents per machine. OTOH, one thing about the ongoing advertising/enshittification bubble is that it seems to distort people's understanding of revenue and NPV. They'd rather have the possibility of infinite future ad/spyware revenue even when people are clamoring to offer up-front real cash instead.