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I stopped using Facebook because I saw a video of a little Australian girl maybe 7 years old age wise holding a spider bigger than her face in her hand. I wrote

I stopped using Facebook because I saw a video of a little Australian girl maybe 7 years old age wise holding a spider bigger than her face in her hand. I wrote the most internet meme comment I could think of “girl let go of that spider, we gotta set the house on fire” hit the button to post, only it did not post, it gave me an account strike. At the time I was the only developer at my employer who managed our Facebook app integration, so I appealed it, but another AI immediately denied my appeal, or maybe a really fast human idk but they sure didnt know meme culture. I outrifht stopped using Facebook. We are doomed if AI is allowed to punish us.

philipallstar 1y ago
Maybe it banned you because you used a comma splice[0]. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_splice https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_splice
- mmaunder 1y ago
  Burn the witch.
- gcanyon 1y ago
  damn, you smoked them, please stop, they've had enough, don't be so, cruel
  - andrewflnr 1y ago
    > don't be so, cruel We've got the real criminal right here.
- drzaiusx11 1y ago
  The song 'word crimes' (Weird Al) immediately comes to mind https://youtu.be/8Gv0H-vPoDc https://youtu.be/8Gv0H-vPoDc
iammrpayments 1y ago
The way facebook uses automation to manage their products is a disgrace, they can’t even manage to keep themselves automatically banning a lawyer who happens to be called Mark Zuckerberg: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mark-zuckerberg-lawsuit-impersonation_n_68bb000fe4b0acb9ffebbd05 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mark-zuckerberg-lawsuit-imper... If you advertise on facebook you’re almost guarantee to have your ad account restricted for no apparent reason and no human being to appeal to, even if you spend big money. It’s so bad that is common knowledge that you should start a fan page, post random stuff and buy page likes for 5-7 days before you start advertising, otherwise their system will just flag your account.
- hdgvhicv 1y ago
  Yet oddly they never seem to be able to stop scam adverts.
  - azemetre 1y ago
    Those are their best customers, they spend money and ask no questions.
- tomrod 1y ago
  I've tried to open an account for while now, consistently blocked. At this point I have to assume it's stock is a scam.
terribleperson 1y ago
I'm suspended on reddit for, as best as I can tell, posting a DFhack bug fix script. For the uninitiated, this is a bug fix script for a program commonly used in Dwarf Fortress moderating, not anything illicit. If this kind of low-quality AI moderation is the future, I'm not sure if these major platforms will even remain usable.
- floundy 1y ago
  That's hilarious given that Reddit is utterly overrun with blatant, low-quality LLM accounts using ChatGPT to post comments and gain karma, and several of the "text stories" on the front page from subs like AITA are blatant AI slop that the users (or other bots?) are eating up. I suspect sites like Reddit don't care about a few% false positive rate, without considering in context that bot farmers literally do not care, they'll make another free account, but genuine users will have their attitude towards the site turn significantly negative when they're falsely actioned. Don't worry, Reddit's day of reckoning comes when the advertisers figure out what percent of Reddit's traffic that they're paying to serve ads to are just bots.
  - trod1234 1y ago
    Its not just Reddit, this is happening on all networked platforms. FB, X, HN, Reddit, they are all in the exact same boat, and some are quite worse than Reddit. This is surreptitious jamming of communications at levels that constitute and exceed thresholds for consideration as irregular warfare. Genuine users no longer matter, only the user counts which are programmatically driven to distort reflected appraisal. The users are repressed and demoralized because of such false actions, and the platform has no solution because regulation failed to act at a time they could have changed these outcomes. What comes later will simply be comparable to why "triage" is done on the battlefield. Adtech is just a gloriously indirect means for money laundering in fiat money-printing environments. Credit/Debt being offers, when it is unbacked without proper reserve is money-printing.
  - terribleperson 1y ago
    I don't know if the day of reckoning will be anytime soon. I think a lot of major advertising firms are aware that they're mostly serving to bots, but if they tell their customers that, they don't get paid. edit: This has definitely soured my already poor opinion of reddit. I mostly post there about video games, or to help people in /r/buildapc or /r/askculinary. I think I'd rather help people somewhere I'm not going to get blackholed because an AI misinterpreted my comments.
morkalork 1y ago
Not using Facebook doesn't help either though. My new co-worker didn't have one but needed it for his job so he made an account and was immediately flagged for suspicious activity.
- smcin 1y ago
  What did he do that was deemed suspicious? Send a large number of friend requests very quickly after joining (<24hrs? 1wk?)? Follow requests? Upvotes? Log on from multiple devices in multiple locations? Put third-party links in his bio or profile? (LinkedIn ramped up anti-bot/inauthentic-user heuristics like that a few years ago. Sadly they are necessary. Near-impossible for heuristics to distinguish between real humans with inauthentic or suspiciously commercial behavior.)
  - junon 1y ago
    I had the same thing happen on both Facebook and Twitter. The answer is: nothing. In both cases for me, I had signed up and logged in for the first time, and was met with an immediate ban. No rhyme or reason why. I, too, needed it for work so had no prior history from my IPs in the case of Facebook at least. So maybe that's why, but still. Very aggressive and annoying blocking algorithm behavior like that cost them some advertising money as we just decided it wasn't worth it to even advertise there.
  - malfist 1y ago
    [flagged]
    - smcin 1y ago
      [flagged]
  - renewiltord 1y ago
    If they suspect you're trying to ban evade they'll ban your account but their ban evasion detection is trigger happy.
Frost1x 1y ago
The underlying issue here isn’t AI based policing, it’s the fact private entities have enough unregulated influence on peoples’ daily life that their use of these or any such policy mechanisms are undemocratically effecting people in notably significant ways. The Facebook example is, whatever, but what if it’s some landlord renting making a decision, some health insurance company deciding your coverage, etc. Now obviously this won’t stop with private entities, state and federal law enforcement are gung-ho to leverage any of these sorts of systems and have been for ages. It doesn’t help the current direction the US specifically is moving in, promoting such authoritarian policies.
- lumost 1y ago
  We already live in this world for health insurance. The ai can make plausible sounding denials which a doctor can rubber stamp. You have no ability to sue the doctor for malpractice, you cannot appeal the decision. Medical insurance is quickly becoming a simple scam where you are forced to pay a private entity that refuses to ever perform its function.
  - olddustytrail 1y ago
    Most first world countries don't have this. It's not a given.
    - azemetre 1y ago
      The US is usually a hot bed of experimentation in corporate malfeasance.
      - abustamam 1y ago
        As an American, it's funny how ahead and "first world" the US can be in some things, but how backwards and "developing country" the US can be in other things. Medicine itself is very first-world. But medical insurance is one of those "worse than developing country" things. The fact that Americans need medical insurance at all is appalling to many countries, first world and otherwise. And of course, by funny I mean "I can only laugh otherwise I'd cry"
toasted-subs 1y ago
Yeah I've basically refused to ever have kid's because I cant imagine them growing up knowingly becoming slaves. As a parent I'd basically expected CPS to be called on me for having kid's in this environment.
- junon 1y ago
  What in the world are you talking about?
  - tomrod 1y ago
    If it wasn't Ai slop, it seems close.
skipants 1y ago
I've already had a pre-screen coding tests judged by AI. It's unsettling. I also had a CV rejection letter with AI rejection reasons in it as well which was frustrating because none of the reasons matched my CV at all, in my opinion. I am still not sure if the resume was actually reviewed by a human or AI but I am assuming the latter. I absolutely hated looking for a new job pre-AI and when times were good. Now I'm feeling completely disillusioned with the whole process.
- dude250711 1y ago
  They probably generated a generic AI response once and just copy-pasted it, thus saving their time twice. They did not do one scummy thing, these are just overall scummy people.
- j45 1y ago
  Comment that code to guide it :)
zouhair 1y ago
The problem is how it is easy for AI with full surveillance to shape one's opinions. We are mostly doomed as a species.
wkat4242 1y ago
Facebook is mostly using AI now. Early this year they closed their entire moderation office in our city and fired the thousands of people that worked there. There was no training handover to other teams like what was the case before when a part was moved to a lower wage country.

philipallstar 1y ago

Maybe it banned you because you used a comma splice[0]. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_splice https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_splice

mmaunder 1y ago
Burn the witch.
gcanyon 1y ago
damn, you smoked them, please stop, they've had enough, don't be so, cruel
- andrewflnr 1y ago
  > don't be so, cruel We've got the real criminal right here.
drzaiusx11 1y ago
The song 'word crimes' (Weird Al) immediately comes to mind https://youtu.be/8Gv0H-vPoDc https://youtu.be/8Gv0H-vPoDc

iammrpayments 1y ago

The way facebook uses automation to manage their products is a disgrace, they can’t even manage to keep themselves automatically banning a lawyer who happens to be called Mark Zuckerberg: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mark-zuckerberg-lawsuit-impersonation_n_68bb000fe4b0acb9ffebbd05 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mark-zuckerberg-lawsuit-imper... If you advertise on facebook you’re almost guarantee to have your ad account restricted for no apparent reason and no human being to appeal to, even if you spend big money. It’s so bad that is common knowledge that you should start a fan page, post random stuff and buy page likes for 5-7 days before you start advertising, otherwise their system will just flag your account.

hdgvhicv 1y ago
Yet oddly they never seem to be able to stop scam adverts.
- azemetre 1y ago
  Those are their best customers, they spend money and ask no questions.
tomrod 1y ago
I've tried to open an account for while now, consistently blocked. At this point I have to assume it's stock is a scam.

terribleperson 1y ago

I'm suspended on reddit for, as best as I can tell, posting a DFhack bug fix script. For the uninitiated, this is a bug fix script for a program commonly used in Dwarf Fortress moderating, not anything illicit. If this kind of low-quality AI moderation is the future, I'm not sure if these major platforms will even remain usable.

floundy 1y ago
That's hilarious given that Reddit is utterly overrun with blatant, low-quality LLM accounts using ChatGPT to post comments and gain karma, and several of the "text stories" on the front page from subs like AITA are blatant AI slop that the users (or other bots?) are eating up. I suspect sites like Reddit don't care about a few% false positive rate, without considering in context that bot farmers literally do not care, they'll make another free account, but genuine users will have their attitude towards the site turn significantly negative when they're falsely actioned. Don't worry, Reddit's day of reckoning comes when the advertisers figure out what percent of Reddit's traffic that they're paying to serve ads to are just bots.
- trod1234 1y ago
  Its not just Reddit, this is happening on all networked platforms. FB, X, HN, Reddit, they are all in the exact same boat, and some are quite worse than Reddit. This is surreptitious jamming of communications at levels that constitute and exceed thresholds for consideration as irregular warfare. Genuine users no longer matter, only the user counts which are programmatically driven to distort reflected appraisal. The users are repressed and demoralized because of such false actions, and the platform has no solution because regulation failed to act at a time they could have changed these outcomes. What comes later will simply be comparable to why "triage" is done on the battlefield. Adtech is just a gloriously indirect means for money laundering in fiat money-printing environments. Credit/Debt being offers, when it is unbacked without proper reserve is money-printing.
- terribleperson 1y ago
  I don't know if the day of reckoning will be anytime soon. I think a lot of major advertising firms are aware that they're mostly serving to bots, but if they tell their customers that, they don't get paid. edit: This has definitely soured my already poor opinion of reddit. I mostly post there about video games, or to help people in /r/buildapc or /r/askculinary. I think I'd rather help people somewhere I'm not going to get blackholed because an AI misinterpreted my comments.

morkalork 1y ago

Not using Facebook doesn't help either though. My new co-worker didn't have one but needed it for his job so he made an account and was immediately flagged for suspicious activity.

smcin 1y ago
What did he do that was deemed suspicious? Send a large number of friend requests very quickly after joining (<24hrs? 1wk?)? Follow requests? Upvotes? Log on from multiple devices in multiple locations? Put third-party links in his bio or profile? (LinkedIn ramped up anti-bot/inauthentic-user heuristics like that a few years ago. Sadly they are necessary. Near-impossible for heuristics to distinguish between real humans with inauthentic or suspiciously commercial behavior.)
- junon 1y ago
  I had the same thing happen on both Facebook and Twitter. The answer is: nothing. In both cases for me, I had signed up and logged in for the first time, and was met with an immediate ban. No rhyme or reason why. I, too, needed it for work so had no prior history from my IPs in the case of Facebook at least. So maybe that's why, but still. Very aggressive and annoying blocking algorithm behavior like that cost them some advertising money as we just decided it wasn't worth it to even advertise there.
- malfist 1y ago
  [flagged]
  - smcin 1y ago
    [flagged]
- renewiltord 1y ago
  If they suspect you're trying to ban evade they'll ban your account but their ban evasion detection is trigger happy.

Frost1x 1y ago

The underlying issue here isn’t AI based policing, it’s the fact private entities have enough unregulated influence on peoples’ daily life that their use of these or any such policy mechanisms are undemocratically effecting people in notably significant ways. The Facebook example is, whatever, but what if it’s some landlord renting making a decision, some health insurance company deciding your coverage, etc. Now obviously this won’t stop with private entities, state and federal law enforcement are gung-ho to leverage any of these sorts of systems and have been for ages. It doesn’t help the current direction the US specifically is moving in, promoting such authoritarian policies.

lumost 1y ago
We already live in this world for health insurance. The ai can make plausible sounding denials which a doctor can rubber stamp. You have no ability to sue the doctor for malpractice, you cannot appeal the decision. Medical insurance is quickly becoming a simple scam where you are forced to pay a private entity that refuses to ever perform its function.
- olddustytrail 1y ago
  Most first world countries don't have this. It's not a given.
  - azemetre 1y ago
    The US is usually a hot bed of experimentation in corporate malfeasance.
    - abustamam 1y ago
      As an American, it's funny how ahead and "first world" the US can be in some things, but how backwards and "developing country" the US can be in other things. Medicine itself is very first-world. But medical insurance is one of those "worse than developing country" things. The fact that Americans need medical insurance at all is appalling to many countries, first world and otherwise. And of course, by funny I mean "I can only laugh otherwise I'd cry"

toasted-subs 1y ago

Yeah I've basically refused to ever have kid's because I cant imagine them growing up knowingly becoming slaves. As a parent I'd basically expected CPS to be called on me for having kid's in this environment.

junon 1y ago
What in the world are you talking about?
- tomrod 1y ago
  If it wasn't Ai slop, it seems close.

skipants 1y ago

I've already had a pre-screen coding tests judged by AI. It's unsettling. I also had a CV rejection letter with AI rejection reasons in it as well which was frustrating because none of the reasons matched my CV at all, in my opinion. I am still not sure if the resume was actually reviewed by a human or AI but I am assuming the latter. I absolutely hated looking for a new job pre-AI and when times were good. Now I'm feeling completely disillusioned with the whole process.

dude250711 1y ago
They probably generated a generic AI response once and just copy-pasted it, thus saving their time twice. They did not do one scummy thing, these are just overall scummy people.
j45 1y ago
Comment that code to guide it :)

zouhair 1y ago

The problem is how it is easy for AI with full surveillance to shape one's opinions. We are mostly doomed as a species.

wkat4242 1y ago

Facebook is mostly using AI now. Early this year they closed their entire moderation office in our city and fired the thousands of people that worked there. There was no training handover to other teams like what was the case before when a part was moved to a lower wage country.