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It is called the tax haven premium. Just like Luxemburg or caymen island also works well as nations. I don't think it is something to be proud of though, as th

It is called the tax haven premium. Just like Luxemburg or caymen island also works well as nations. I don't think it is something to be proud of though, as the riches are not earned.

dash2 1y ago
If you can offer companies a lower tax than other jurisdictions with the same level of service, why isn't it earned?
- anovikov 1y ago
  Exactly my thought. It is not based on 'ability to hide money from taxation' or anything like that. Just in lower corporate tax rate (even then, it's lower still in Bulgaria and Hungary and yet those countries don't have much to show for that). Also we have tax exemption on dividend income for individuals, but again, plenty of countries have that, it's more of a norm than an exception (no country could hope to attract any high middle class or rich immigrants unless it provides that, it's a baseline expectation).
  - LunaSea 1y ago
    And selling golden passports to Russian oligarchs until 2020.
- tossandthrow 1y ago
  Because paying lower taxes is not a productive activity. It is quite plain a simple. It is an extractive activity. In particular, the taxes being paid in these jurisdictions are not earned in them - which makes it even worse.
  - arresin 1y ago
    Wait paying lower taxes is extractive?
    - tossandthrow 1y ago
      Yep, when it is paper money being transferred from other jurisdictions with the sole purpose of reducing the tax bill. Thisnis not rocket science? Why all the lobbying?
irjustin 1y ago
Are you proud of yours? I'm US and I'm not proud of how our taxes are earned and I'm definitely not proud how they're spent.
- tossandthrow 1y ago
  This is a strawman - but we can play. You should be proud, but you should also lobby for better spend of the tax money. Regardless, a well functioning nation should target some level of equality. This does not necesarrily happen through taxes, but taxes have just shown to be incredibly effective. Regardless of your status, you still suffer from high inequality. If you are poor it is self explanatory. But even rich people need to shield them from ceo killers, use incredibly bad infrastructure, etc. In that view I do understand why you are not a proud US person - but taxes would likely safe you - like it did in the 60s.
  - kortilla 1y ago
    >But even rich people need to shield them from ceo killers, use incredibly bad infrastructure, etc. CEO killers are not a result of inequality. The only recent example of a CEO killer was a result of being the head of a health insurance company and the motivation was not his comp. Bad infrastructure is also not a good example. That’s just a result of gov choices on spending. At least in the US, pulling levers on taxing the middle and upper middle class produces far more revenue than hitting the 0.1%. This is why Democrats nor Republicans will ever provide meaningful cuts for people making $90k-$500k/year. Inequality causes issues, but infrastructure failures is not one of them.
    - tossandthrow 1y ago
      Infrastructure was an example of a common good that rich and poor people use alike - not something that necessarily is fixed with equality. Thinking about taxes in terms of producing revenue completely misses the point. Taxes in this context is a tool for increasing equality. As for the ceo killings, if not the US increases equality, we will likely only see more of that behavior going forward.

It is called the tax haven premium. Just like Luxemburg or caymen island also works well as nations. I don't think it is something to be proud of though, as the riches are not earned.

dash2 1y ago

If you can offer companies a lower tax than other jurisdictions with the same level of service, why isn't it earned?

anovikov 1y ago
Exactly my thought. It is not based on 'ability to hide money from taxation' or anything like that. Just in lower corporate tax rate (even then, it's lower still in Bulgaria and Hungary and yet those countries don't have much to show for that). Also we have tax exemption on dividend income for individuals, but again, plenty of countries have that, it's more of a norm than an exception (no country could hope to attract any high middle class or rich immigrants unless it provides that, it's a baseline expectation).
- LunaSea 1y ago
  And selling golden passports to Russian oligarchs until 2020.
tossandthrow 1y ago
Because paying lower taxes is not a productive activity. It is quite plain a simple. It is an extractive activity. In particular, the taxes being paid in these jurisdictions are not earned in them - which makes it even worse.
- arresin 1y ago
  Wait paying lower taxes is extractive?
  - tossandthrow 1y ago
    Yep, when it is paper money being transferred from other jurisdictions with the sole purpose of reducing the tax bill. Thisnis not rocket science? Why all the lobbying?

irjustin 1y ago

Are you proud of yours? I'm US and I'm not proud of how our taxes are earned and I'm definitely not proud how they're spent.

tossandthrow 1y ago
This is a strawman - but we can play. You should be proud, but you should also lobby for better spend of the tax money. Regardless, a well functioning nation should target some level of equality. This does not necesarrily happen through taxes, but taxes have just shown to be incredibly effective. Regardless of your status, you still suffer from high inequality. If you are poor it is self explanatory. But even rich people need to shield them from ceo killers, use incredibly bad infrastructure, etc. In that view I do understand why you are not a proud US person - but taxes would likely safe you - like it did in the 60s.
- kortilla 1y ago
  >But even rich people need to shield them from ceo killers, use incredibly bad infrastructure, etc. CEO killers are not a result of inequality. The only recent example of a CEO killer was a result of being the head of a health insurance company and the motivation was not his comp. Bad infrastructure is also not a good example. That’s just a result of gov choices on spending. At least in the US, pulling levers on taxing the middle and upper middle class produces far more revenue than hitting the 0.1%. This is why Democrats nor Republicans will ever provide meaningful cuts for people making $90k-$500k/year. Inequality causes issues, but infrastructure failures is not one of them.
  - tossandthrow 1y ago
    Infrastructure was an example of a common good that rich and poor people use alike - not something that necessarily is fixed with equality. Thinking about taxes in terms of producing revenue completely misses the point. Taxes in this context is a tool for increasing equality. As for the ceo killings, if not the US increases equality, we will likely only see more of that behavior going forward.