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It is likely worth it - the Tesla robot will be the most advanced consumer grade product ever made. Shocked but not shocked that Apple didn't beat them to it (n

It is likely worth it - the Tesla robot will be the most advanced consumer grade product ever made. Shocked but not shocked that Apple didn't beat them to it (not shocked because Cook was just using Jobs playbook that only lasted for so long)

SwellJoe 1y ago
This has to be a bit. You can't possibly believe Musk's fantasies after a couple decades of hilarious (and occasionally dangerous) lies.
- xNeil 1y ago
  >You can't possibly believe Musk's fantasies after a couple decades of hilarious (and occasionally dangerous) lies. Eh, betting against Musk generally seems to be a losing proposition. Starlink alone would have given me faith in his abilities, what Tesla's done with Models 3 and Y and SpaceX with Falcon 9 gives me all the more reason to believe him. Yes, despite the absurd timelines, which I'm generally okay with. (Not OP)
  - freerobby 1y ago
    People never learn. The haters always think this time will be different.
  - general1465 1y ago
    Like 10 years of promises of Full Self Driving which does not drive itself.
  - Esophagus4 1y ago
    I happen to agree with you but for different reasons. I will never bet on Musk, but I’m also not dumb enough to bet against him, given TSLA’s stock growth. The board has set a wild target for him before, and he hit it. It’s too easy to say “he’ll never achieve that!” from the comfort of an armchair internet comment. Ok, if you really believe that, step up to the line and place your bets. Because if you don’t believe it enough to put money on it, you probably don’t believe it that much.
    - throwmeaway222 1y ago
      > I happen to agree with you but for different reasons. You literally echoed his reasons, not sure why you said this.
      - Esophagus4 1y ago
        (Eyeroll) I didn’t feel like I needed to state my disagreements because I felt like they weren’t relevant enough to spend time on. So I agreed with his point that I’m not betting against Musk, but left out the reasons. But leave it to the pedantic internet commenters to take issue with even a minor inconsistency. I promise to do better next time, thank you for your feedback. I know I’ll make you proud one day, dad.
        cindyllm 1y ago
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- throwmeaway222 1y ago
  MDS (Musk Derangement...) I'm not trying to insult you, but think about this. Musk has a reputation of actually delivering on the things he showcases- Cybertruck is real, it also failed, but he delivered it. Starlink is real, and it is winning spectacularly and probably has saved countless Ukrainian lives at this point. Yes FSD is not there yet, but I can pretty much guarantee you that it will be the first car that (is not a taxi) that has it. And breaking apart my own statement slowly for you: Tesla robot will be the most advanced consumer grade product ever made ^ product ^ will have vision, grip, communication, ability to agentically think and perform physical tasks ^ Yes it is "a consumer grade product" that will literally not have real viable competition for a while So please stop with the MDS so we can actually discuss the REALITY of the world.
poniko 1y ago
How about the myriad of other companies that produce Robots? Like Figure and a large number of Chinese outlets? Tesla is not the winner in electric cars why would they be better at robots. My guess is low cost robots from China will be everywhere..
- igor47 1y ago
  Except the US. Because tariffs.
- xNeil 1y ago
  >...Tesla is not the winner in electric cars With all due respect, what in the world are you on about?
  - poniko 1y ago
    .. ever heard of BYD? BMW just released the first car on their new platform that is better then Teslas in pretty much every way .. Musk has ruined Tesla with bets on wrong cars i.e Cybertruck instead of pushing price and volume.
  - breve 1y ago
    Musk has done a lot of brand damage to Tesla. Tesla's sales are down, revenue is down, profit is down, and Tesla continues to lose EV market share.
victorbjorklund 1y ago
Why are you no longet talking about tesla revolutionizing solar industry?
- throwmeaway222 1y ago
  They kind of are - the powerwall is the number one selling solar accessory that exists. It's the iphone of solar equipment right now. Yes SR did not do well - so that's the cybertruck of that part of Tesla Solar.
  - victorbjorklund 1y ago
    Because no one else is in that category? haha How many billions per year is the powerwall selling for?
anon7000 1y ago
There’s no proof the Tesla robot will ever amount to anything. As one example, the boring company & the Tesla loops in Vegas are pathetic.
- DoesntMatter22 1y ago
  They are doing 30k passengers a day. That's not pathetic lol
  - Larrikin 1y ago
    Compared to transit in any other city in the world it's ridiculously pathetic. Compared to American cities it is just pathetic.
    - DoesntMatter22 1y ago
      Not at all. It's traffic that is completely below ground which means that no streets above are burdened with it, it's all electric so no emissions. Name me any other form of transportation that was built so affordably in the US and moves this many people while not impacting street traffic? By comparison the Vegas Monorail cost 5x as much, took 1/3rd longer to build, and takes roughly a third of the passengers that the Boring tunnel does. This is a huge win for Las Vegas, and they continue to build out because it's worked out well for them.
      - guax 1y ago
        > It's traffic that is completely below ground which means that no streets above are burdened with it, it's all electric so no emissions So are modern subways. Cost is a major point tho, subways are designed to move waaaaay more than 30k people a day for much less, but costs of building are much higher. This is only 1.7 miles and a novelty, I would not know If the differences hold for Tesla on other places or when scaling up. My suspicious is that it does not. I also wonder that if you use the same tunnel they did but modify the cars to run by themselves using traditional techniques, would the operation get cheaper but the shortcomings be more glaring.
bdangubic 1y ago
Tesla robot will be the most advanced consumer grade product ever made. There is a much better chance of me fathering a child with Madonna than this
- webdevver 1y ago
  its entirely possible. clearly we have all the input signals that we need in electronic form: inertia (IMU), vision (CCD), skin pressure (not sure?), absolute offset/absolute rotation (optical encoders) so now the question is: how do we convert this bag of signals into mimicking a human. this question has been asked for text already, and the answer is LLMs which can, at the very least, mimick humans pretty well. if a humanoid can be made to mimick a cook, or a cleaner, or manual labor, be able to navigate human geometry (stairs, ramps, etc.) that is already huge. i agree that it would be the most advanced consumer grade product - the only thing that might beat it, is a domestic nuclear reactor.
  - zarmin 1y ago
    true. and since this approach worked perfectly with full self driving, why shouldn't it also work here?
  - bgwalter 1y ago
    It has to handle dirt, water, soap, five-year olds who pour sugar water over the robotic hands etc. So far I've only seen these things in clean and dry environments, where they fold dry laundry, badly. It looks like an absolute and expensive maintenance nightmare. Also, I'd worry about prompt injection or malfunction. Better carry an axe at all times: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jul/24/chess-robot-grabs-and-breaks-finger-of-seven-year-old-opponent-moscow https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jul/24/chess-robot-gr...
  - bdangubic 1y ago
    I would not trust a company which has been saying they can get a car to go by itself from here to there for the last 13 years to make a humanoid robot cook :) first time there is any grease or dirt that robot gonna suffocate and die! people will eat this shit up though, next 11 years every earnings report will say robots will be cooking at michelin star restaurants “soon”
webdevver 1y ago
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SwellJoe 1y ago

This has to be a bit. You can't possibly believe Musk's fantasies after a couple decades of hilarious (and occasionally dangerous) lies.

xNeil 1y ago
>You can't possibly believe Musk's fantasies after a couple decades of hilarious (and occasionally dangerous) lies. Eh, betting against Musk generally seems to be a losing proposition. Starlink alone would have given me faith in his abilities, what Tesla's done with Models 3 and Y and SpaceX with Falcon 9 gives me all the more reason to believe him. Yes, despite the absurd timelines, which I'm generally okay with. (Not OP)
- freerobby 1y ago
  People never learn. The haters always think this time will be different.
- general1465 1y ago
  Like 10 years of promises of Full Self Driving which does not drive itself.
- Esophagus4 1y ago
  I happen to agree with you but for different reasons. I will never bet on Musk, but I’m also not dumb enough to bet against him, given TSLA’s stock growth. The board has set a wild target for him before, and he hit it. It’s too easy to say “he’ll never achieve that!” from the comfort of an armchair internet comment. Ok, if you really believe that, step up to the line and place your bets. Because if you don’t believe it enough to put money on it, you probably don’t believe it that much.
  - throwmeaway222 1y ago
    > I happen to agree with you but for different reasons. You literally echoed his reasons, not sure why you said this.
    - Esophagus4 1y ago
      (Eyeroll) I didn’t feel like I needed to state my disagreements because I felt like they weren’t relevant enough to spend time on. So I agreed with his point that I’m not betting against Musk, but left out the reasons. But leave it to the pedantic internet commenters to take issue with even a minor inconsistency. I promise to do better next time, thank you for your feedback. I know I’ll make you proud one day, dad.
      - cindyllm 1y ago
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throwmeaway222 1y ago
MDS (Musk Derangement...) I'm not trying to insult you, but think about this. Musk has a reputation of actually delivering on the things he showcases- Cybertruck is real, it also failed, but he delivered it. Starlink is real, and it is winning spectacularly and probably has saved countless Ukrainian lives at this point. Yes FSD is not there yet, but I can pretty much guarantee you that it will be the first car that (is not a taxi) that has it. And breaking apart my own statement slowly for you: Tesla robot will be the most advanced consumer grade product ever made ^ product ^ will have vision, grip, communication, ability to agentically think and perform physical tasks ^ Yes it is "a consumer grade product" that will literally not have real viable competition for a while So please stop with the MDS so we can actually discuss the REALITY of the world.

poniko 1y ago

How about the myriad of other companies that produce Robots? Like Figure and a large number of Chinese outlets? Tesla is not the winner in electric cars why would they be better at robots. My guess is low cost robots from China will be everywhere..

igor47 1y ago
Except the US. Because tariffs.
xNeil 1y ago
>...Tesla is not the winner in electric cars With all due respect, what in the world are you on about?
- poniko 1y ago
  .. ever heard of BYD? BMW just released the first car on their new platform that is better then Teslas in pretty much every way .. Musk has ruined Tesla with bets on wrong cars i.e Cybertruck instead of pushing price and volume.
- breve 1y ago
  Musk has done a lot of brand damage to Tesla. Tesla's sales are down, revenue is down, profit is down, and Tesla continues to lose EV market share.

victorbjorklund 1y ago

Why are you no longet talking about tesla revolutionizing solar industry?

throwmeaway222 1y ago
They kind of are - the powerwall is the number one selling solar accessory that exists. It's the iphone of solar equipment right now. Yes SR did not do well - so that's the cybertruck of that part of Tesla Solar.
- victorbjorklund 1y ago
  Because no one else is in that category? haha How many billions per year is the powerwall selling for?

anon7000 1y ago

There’s no proof the Tesla robot will ever amount to anything. As one example, the boring company & the Tesla loops in Vegas are pathetic.

DoesntMatter22 1y ago
They are doing 30k passengers a day. That's not pathetic lol
- Larrikin 1y ago
  Compared to transit in any other city in the world it's ridiculously pathetic. Compared to American cities it is just pathetic.
  - DoesntMatter22 1y ago
    Not at all. It's traffic that is completely below ground which means that no streets above are burdened with it, it's all electric so no emissions. Name me any other form of transportation that was built so affordably in the US and moves this many people while not impacting street traffic? By comparison the Vegas Monorail cost 5x as much, took 1/3rd longer to build, and takes roughly a third of the passengers that the Boring tunnel does. This is a huge win for Las Vegas, and they continue to build out because it's worked out well for them.
    - guax 1y ago
      > It's traffic that is completely below ground which means that no streets above are burdened with it, it's all electric so no emissions So are modern subways. Cost is a major point tho, subways are designed to move waaaaay more than 30k people a day for much less, but costs of building are much higher. This is only 1.7 miles and a novelty, I would not know If the differences hold for Tesla on other places or when scaling up. My suspicious is that it does not. I also wonder that if you use the same tunnel they did but modify the cars to run by themselves using traditional techniques, would the operation get cheaper but the shortcomings be more glaring.

bdangubic 1y ago

Tesla robot will be the most advanced consumer grade product ever made. There is a much better chance of me fathering a child with Madonna than this

webdevver 1y ago
its entirely possible. clearly we have all the input signals that we need in electronic form: inertia (IMU), vision (CCD), skin pressure (not sure?), absolute offset/absolute rotation (optical encoders) so now the question is: how do we convert this bag of signals into mimicking a human. this question has been asked for text already, and the answer is LLMs which can, at the very least, mimick humans pretty well. if a humanoid can be made to mimick a cook, or a cleaner, or manual labor, be able to navigate human geometry (stairs, ramps, etc.) that is already huge. i agree that it would be the most advanced consumer grade product - the only thing that might beat it, is a domestic nuclear reactor.
- zarmin 1y ago
  true. and since this approach worked perfectly with full self driving, why shouldn't it also work here?
- bgwalter 1y ago
  It has to handle dirt, water, soap, five-year olds who pour sugar water over the robotic hands etc. So far I've only seen these things in clean and dry environments, where they fold dry laundry, badly. It looks like an absolute and expensive maintenance nightmare. Also, I'd worry about prompt injection or malfunction. Better carry an axe at all times: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jul/24/chess-robot-grabs-and-breaks-finger-of-seven-year-old-opponent-moscow https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jul/24/chess-robot-gr...
- bdangubic 1y ago
  I would not trust a company which has been saying they can get a car to go by itself from here to there for the last 13 years to make a humanoid robot cook :) first time there is any grease or dirt that robot gonna suffocate and die! people will eat this shit up though, next 11 years every earnings report will say robots will be cooking at michelin star restaurants “soon”

webdevver 1y ago

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