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It is a tactic. OpenAI is changing the tone of ChatGPT if you use casual language, for example. Sometimes even the dialect. They try to be sympathetic and suppo
by nicce 1y ago
It is a tactic. OpenAI is changing the tone of ChatGPT if you use casual language, for example. Sometimes even the dialect. They try to be sympathetic and supportive, even when they should not.
They fight for the user attention and keeping them on their platform, just like social media platforms. Correctness is secondary, user satisfaction is primary.
- kuschku 1y ago> Correctness is secondary, user satisfaction is primary. And that's where everything is going wrong. We should use technology to further the enlightenment, bring us closer to the truth, even if it is an inconvenient one.
- escapecharacter 1y agoYou’re absolutely right.
- kuschku 1y agoSo I'm assuming this is a tongue-in-cheek comment, and you actually disagree. I'd love to hear why, though.
- diggan 1y ago> Correctness is secondary, user satisfaction is primary. Kind of makes sense, not every user wants 100% correctness (just like in real-life). And if I want correctness (which I do), I can make the models prioritize that, since my satisfaction is directly linked to the correctness of the responses :)
- ZaoLahma 1y agoI find the GPT-5 model having turned the friendliness way, way down. Topics that previously would have rendered long and (usefully) engaging conversations are now met with an "ok cool" kind of response. I get it - we don't want LLMs to be reinforces of bad ideas, but sometimes you need a little positivity to get past a mental barrier and do something that you want to do, even if what you want to do logically doesn't make much sense. An "ok cool" answer is PERFECT for me to decide not to code something stupid (and learn something useful), and instead go and play video games (and learn nothing).
- kuschku 1y agoHow would a "conversation" with an LLM influence what you decide to do, what you decide to code? It's not like the attitude of your potato peeler is influencing how you cook dinner, so why is this tool so different for you?
- ZaoLahma 1y agoMight tell it "I want to do this stupid thing" and it goes "ok cool". Previously it would have gone "Oh really? Fantastic! How do you intend to solve x?" and off you go.
- kuschku 1y agoBut why does this affect your own attitude? Do the suggestions given by your phone's keyboard whenever you type something affect your attitude in the same way? If not, why is ChatGPT then affecting your attitude?
- ZaoLahma 1y agoUsing your potato peeler example: If my potato peeler told me "Why bother? Order pizza instead." I'd be obese. An LLM can directly influence your willingness to pursue an idea by how it responds to it. Interest and excitement, even if simulated, is more likely to make you pursue the idea than "ok cool".
- fluoridation 1y agoWhy, though? I'm with GP, I don't understand it at all. If I thought something is interesting, I wouldn't lose interest even if a person reacted with indifference to it; I just wouldn't tell them about it again.
- kuschku 1y ago> If my potato peeler told me "Why bother? Order pizza instead." I'd be obese. But why do you let yourself be influenced so much by others, or in this case, random filler words from mindless machines? You should listen to your own feelings, desires, and wishes, not anything or anyone else. Try to find the motivation inside of you, try to have the conversation with yourself instead of with ChatGPT. And if someone tells you "don't even bother", maybe show more of a fighting spirit and do it with even more energy just to prove them wrong? (I know it's easier said than done, but my therapist once told me it's necessary to learn not to rely on external motivation)