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I can't speak to the caffeine but that is by far not the worst aspects of energy drinks. - The drinks have an addictive property due to caffeine and many of th

by Bender 1y ago

I can't speak to the caffeine but that is by far not the worst aspects of energy drinks. - The drinks have an addictive property due to caffeine and many of these drinks are full of sugar causing the consumer to continuously consume sugar. Nobody should be consuming added sugar especially not kids who's brains are still developing. They do not need insulin resistance yet another fun topic. - The excessive B vitamins in the drinks are the cheap low quality inactive forms and worse there are only a couple different vitamins. This is a fun rabbit hole to research. Adding even one inactive B vitamin in large quantities can shut down the conversion of all inactive B vitamins in the liver and in some cases the kidneys and can lead to a B vitamin deficiency, somewhat ironically. B vitamins are required for energy production. Shutting down the conversion process can lead to people feeling tired and weak, thinking they need more energy drinks... This is a vicious cycle that can only be remedied by a healthy diet, exercise and sleep. Excessive energy drink consumption can interrupt or lower the quality of sleep. A lack of good sleep interrupts the healing process which every person requires or they start taking age related damage earlier and faster leading to more diseases and vulnerabilities. This rabbit hole goes many layers deeper and would require writing a book and this is even before talking about how this exacerbates all the effects of drugs that doctors have shamefully prescribed to kids and adults.

aquariusDue 1y ago
And here I thought that at least I was getting my B vitamins in. That's just awful, thanks for sharing.
- Bender 1y ago
  thanks for sharing. You are quite welcome. I hope this gets some people curious enough to research. Even if they were the active form there are typically only two or three of them. A healthy diet is the optimal method to get all the B vitamins or at least the 13 critical B vitamins but if ones lifestyle is preventing this one can get them from a B-50 complex. A healthy diet should be preferred when possible.
gilleain 1y ago
Thinks : "What is an inactive form of a B-vitamin?". Some examples: B1 - Thiamin [Inactive] vs Thiamine Diphosphate [Active]. B2 - Flavin Mononucleotide (FMN) vs Flavin Adenine Dinucleotide (FAD). B12 - Cyanocobalamine vs Methylcobalamin. Interesting. So the idea is that an excess of (say) FMN would block conversion to FAD?
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- gilleain 1y ago
  Hmmm, even a small amount of rabbit-hole diving turns up some curious statements around this : > Cyanocobalamin is also the most common form of vitamin B12 found in supplements. It is named because it contains a cyanide molecule. The amount of cyanide found in cyanocobalamin supplements tends to be small, but the body still has to do extra “work” to remove and eliminate the cyanide molecule. If your liver is already overworked, this added step can make activating this nutrient more challenging. I'm sceptical that the extra 'work' here to convert CNCbl to MeCbl is significantly taxing for the liver. B12 is needed in very small amounts ("the upper limit of absorption per single oral dose is about 1.5 μg" - wikipedia). More on this: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5312744/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5312744/ > Numerous studies and reviews of B12 metabolism have shown that CNCbl, MeCbl, OHCbl, and AdCbl are reduced to the core cobalamin molecule inside the cytosol. It is important to note that the ligands specific to the ingested B12 form—methyl and adenosyl—are removed during that process and not used inside cells during the conversion of cobalamin to the 2 active forms of B12 Certainly that review suggests that taking one of the bioavailable forms (MeCbl, OHCbl, AdCbl) is _better_ than the usual CNCbl one, but I see no mention of CNCbl being more 'taxing' in some sense.
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xnx 1y ago
> The drinks have an addictive property due to caffeine and many of these drinks are full of sugar causing the consumer to continuously consume sugar. A Starbucks Frappuccino has 150 mg caffeine and 60 g sugar. Almost the same as a full can of Monster.
- Bender 1y ago
  If you are saying that they should also be banned, I completely agree. The qualifiers should be based on sugar and low quality vitamins but of course that gets into the rabbit hole of things like real bread vs. highly processed bread a.k.a. WWII rations a.k.a. American bread. Real bread only contains three to five ingredients. Real foods are getting harder to acquire due to fake foods having a much higher profit margin and longer shelf life.
- IAmBroom 1y ago
  Your point?
- Gud 1y ago
  Yes, kids should not be drinking Starbucks Frappuccinos. Actually no one should.
orwin 1y ago
I have a different kind of appetite hormonal issue (ghralin sensitivity), but for people that don't know, insulin resistance will make your kid constantly hungry, increasing the likelihood of him/her being fat.

by Bender 1y ago

aquariusDue 1y ago

And here I thought that at least I was getting my B vitamins in. That's just awful, thanks for sharing.

Bender 1y ago
thanks for sharing. You are quite welcome. I hope this gets some people curious enough to research. Even if they were the active form there are typically only two or three of them. A healthy diet is the optimal method to get all the B vitamins or at least the 13 critical B vitamins but if ones lifestyle is preventing this one can get them from a B-50 complex. A healthy diet should be preferred when possible.

gilleain 1y ago

Thinks : "What is an inactive form of a B-vitamin?". Some examples: B1 - Thiamin [Inactive] vs Thiamine Diphosphate [Active]. B2 - Flavin Mononucleotide (FMN) vs Flavin Adenine Dinucleotide (FAD). B12 - Cyanocobalamine vs Methylcobalamin. Interesting. So the idea is that an excess of (say) FMN would block conversion to FAD?

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gilleain 1y ago
Hmmm, even a small amount of rabbit-hole diving turns up some curious statements around this : > Cyanocobalamin is also the most common form of vitamin B12 found in supplements. It is named because it contains a cyanide molecule. The amount of cyanide found in cyanocobalamin supplements tends to be small, but the body still has to do extra “work” to remove and eliminate the cyanide molecule. If your liver is already overworked, this added step can make activating this nutrient more challenging. I'm sceptical that the extra 'work' here to convert CNCbl to MeCbl is significantly taxing for the liver. B12 is needed in very small amounts ("the upper limit of absorption per single oral dose is about 1.5 μg" - wikipedia). More on this: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5312744/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5312744/ > Numerous studies and reviews of B12 metabolism have shown that CNCbl, MeCbl, OHCbl, and AdCbl are reduced to the core cobalamin molecule inside the cytosol. It is important to note that the ligands specific to the ingested B12 form—methyl and adenosyl—are removed during that process and not used inside cells during the conversion of cobalamin to the 2 active forms of B12 Certainly that review suggests that taking one of the bioavailable forms (MeCbl, OHCbl, AdCbl) is _better_ than the usual CNCbl one, but I see no mention of CNCbl being more 'taxing' in some sense.
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xnx 1y ago

> The drinks have an addictive property due to caffeine and many of these drinks are full of sugar causing the consumer to continuously consume sugar. A Starbucks Frappuccino has 150 mg caffeine and 60 g sugar. Almost the same as a full can of Monster.

Bender 1y ago
If you are saying that they should also be banned, I completely agree. The qualifiers should be based on sugar and low quality vitamins but of course that gets into the rabbit hole of things like real bread vs. highly processed bread a.k.a. WWII rations a.k.a. American bread. Real bread only contains three to five ingredients. Real foods are getting harder to acquire due to fake foods having a much higher profit margin and longer shelf life.
IAmBroom 1y ago
Your point?
Gud 1y ago
Yes, kids should not be drinking Starbucks Frappuccinos. Actually no one should.

orwin 1y ago

I have a different kind of appetite hormonal issue (ghralin sensitivity), but for people that don't know, insulin resistance will make your kid constantly hungry, increasing the likelihood of him/her being fat.