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Feels like judge was looking for any excuse not to apply harsh penalty and since Google brought up AI as competitor, the judge accepted it as acceptable excuse
by stackskipton 1y ago
Feels like judge was looking for any excuse not to apply harsh penalty and since Google brought up AI as competitor, the judge accepted it as acceptable excuse for very minor penalty.
- solardev 1y ago[flagged]
- mandeepj 1y agoHow humorous it may sound, but there’s no pressure or binding on Google to hire that judge :-)
- whimsicalism 1y agosure except precedent/expectation-building
- hugedickfounder 1y ago[dead]
- anthem2025 1y agoAccording to scotus they can just give the judge a thank you gift for doing such a good job.
- judge2020 1y agoI mean, it’s a legitimate concern. Google is bleeding so hard right now from Gen Z and especially Gen Alpha deciding to use ChatGPT first and foremost when asking questions that Google would’ve answered previously. Whether or not that means they should keep Chrome as a product is up for debate.
- stackskipton 1y agoUnder good Monopoly law, you would remedy the situation that got them to this point, not worry about their future. Chrome + Deals got to them to this point so that's what you unwind. If it causes Google to get weakened and AI finishes them off, that's just creative destruction at work and oh well.
- xnx 1y agoThe ease with which a total newcomer was able to steal share from Google is real-world evidence that there wasn't really a monopoly and that Google competitors (Bing, etc.) just sucked and didn't want to spend the money to be better.
- stackskipton 1y agoWell, courts disagree with your assessment and so do I. Yes, AI is a threat to Google. How much a threat remains to be seen. From normies I know, most of them are just using Gemini or whatever is on Google front page. They are not starting most of their searches on OpenAI or other ones.
- arccy 1y agoChatGPT feels like it's in a lot of day to day conversations these days, you even hear people mention it on the street in non tech cities
- attendant3446 1y agoAnother thing I've noticed is that many people refer to everything as 'ChatGPT', regardless of which 'AI' they're using.
- darkwater 1y agoChatGPT has for sure the "first mover" strength for normies (you can hear it mentioned in TV, radio and in the street, but also lot of people just talk about "AI". So, IMO there is still space to be used as "the AI" rather then specifically ChatGPT. It might also just be always referred to "ChatGPT" when talking about another provider, just like people saying "Kleenex" when referring to tissues.
- Barrin92 1y ago>Google is bleeding so hard right now from Gen Z and especially Gen Alpha deciding to use ChatGPT Is this an evidence based claim? From the Q2 2025 numbers Google saw double digit revenue growth YoY for search. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/23/google-expected-to-report-earnings?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/23/google-expec...
- richrichardsson 1y agoI'm Gen X and recently been using ChatGPT a hell of a lot more than Google, especially for queries similar to sibling comment. Instead of trying to word my query optimally for search, I just write what I'm trying to achieve in natural language and I get an answer, instead of having to scan a few results to know if they're likely candidates. Even with the made up shit on occasion this is a win.
- kevin_thibedeau 1y agoIt's the only viable option for surfacing knowledge that is nearly gone from the dead internet.
- rockskon 1y agoGoogle intentionally crippling search by routinely ignoring search terms or unnecessarily generalizing them is coming to bite them in the ass.
- dabockster 1y agoOr by people like me with LM Studio, a lightweight GGUF from Hugging Face, and maybe some kind of vector database MCP tool.
- IshKebab 1y agoAI is a competitor. You know how StackOverflow is dead because AI provided an alternative? That's happening in search too. You might think "but ChatGPT isn't a search engine", and that's true. It can't handle all queries you might use a search engine for, e.g. if you want to find a particular website. But there are many many queries that it can handle. Here's just a few from my recent history: * How do I load a shared library and call a function from it with VCS? [Kind of surprising it got the answer to this given how locked down the documentation is.] * In a PAM config what do they keywords auth, account, password, session, and also required/sufficient mean? * What do you call the thing that car roof bars attach to? The thing that goes front to back? * How do I right-pad a string with spaces using printf? These are all things I would have gone to Google for before, but ChatGPT gives a better overall experience now. Yes, overall, because while it bullshits sometimes, it also cuts to the chase a lot more. And no ads for now! (Btw, someone gave me the hint to set its personality mode to "Robot", and that really helps make it less annoying!)
- NooneAtAll3 1y agoso what you're saying is that we're about to get ad-spammed Ai as well...
- harmmonica 1y agoExactly this. Another way of putting it is that LLMs are doing all the clicking, reading, researching and many times even the "creating" for me. And I can watch it source things and when I need to question whether it's hallucinating I get a shortcut because I can see all the steps that went into finding the info it's presenting. And on top of it replacing Google Search it's now creating images, diagrams, drawings and endless other "new work" that Google search could never do for me in the first place. I swear in the past week alone things that would've taken me weeks to do are taking hours. Some examples: create a map with some callouts on it based on a pre-existing design (I literally would've needed several hours of professional or at least solid amateur design work to do this in the past; took 10 minutes with ChatGPT). Figure out how much a rooftop solar system's output would be compromised based on the shading of a roof at a specific address at different times of the day (a task I literally couldn't have completed on my own). Structural load calculations for a post in a house (another one I couldn't have completed on my own). Note some of these things can't be wrong so of course you can't blindly rely on ChatGPT, but every step of the way I'm actually taking any suspicious-sounding ChatGPT output and (ironically I guess) running keyword searches on Google to make sure I understand what exactly ChatGPT is saying. But we're talking orders of magnitude less time, less searching and less cost to do these things. Edit: not to say that the judge's ruling in this case is right. Just saying that I have zero doubt that LLM's are an existential threat to Google Search regardless of what Google's numbers said during their past earnings call.
- x0x0 1y agoWhile I'd love to see google harshly penalized, nobody has proposed an answer that doesn't end with the destruction of essentially the world's only browser. Or it's sale to extremely sketchy people, which I guess also ends in destruction plus with OpenAI or whomever buys it hoovering up as much personal data as they can. So I get not liking this answer, but I haven't heard a better one.
- ocdtrekkie 1y agoThe entire world would be better off if it was destroyed. That is sort of the point. We have very unqualified people making decisions that force the entire Internet to comply because the monopoly says to. The Internet could hardly be in a worse place than it is now.
- kelnos 1y agoDestroying Chrome would be a net positive for the world. Also it is not even remotely the "only browser".
- attendant3446 1y agoYeah, without Google's funding, Firefox could be in trouble, but I doubt it will be destroyed. And nobody is selling it. Or what 'only' browser are you talking about? xD
- pythonaut_16 1y agoMozilla's been doing a pretty good job destroying Firefox all by themselves
- x0x0 1y ago80% of Mozilla funding is Google anti-trust insurance payments. If Google doesn't need that insurance, they stop pretending and Mozilla dies.
- lenerdenator 1y agoI mean, it's a judge. This is the mahogany and tweed set. There's not going to be a harsh judgment against a bunch of shareholders. That's not how this works.
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