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There's an alternative interpretation here: that the heights of human achievement are not available "cleanly." Truth be told, there's a lot of doping in other
by api 14y ago
There's an alternative interpretation here: that the heights of human achievement are not available "cleanly."
Truth be told, there's a lot of doping in other fields. I've hung around startuppers, scientists, and med students who heavily use racetams, modafinil, amphetamine, B12 megadosing, "stack" diets, and massive amounts of caffeine. Musicians and artists use psychedelic drugs to artificially enter hyper-creative states. Isn't that a form of doping? Would we have most of the music we have if there were no THC, psilocybin, or LSD?
And doping is just augmentation. A bicycle itself is an augmentation. Shoes and special clothing are augmentations. The list goes on.
A race where runners run almost naked and are strictly limited to a straight diet would be interesting in itself, but it would not achieve anywhere near Olympic performance numbers.
I'm not necessarily saying that doping in sports is good, per se. If the rules don't allow it in your event, you are cheating in your particular sport. (There are no such rules for startups, science, or music.) What I'm really getting at here is that there is another issue, and that the overall issue is more morally complex than "honest and clean" vs "doped."
I also know that doping can destroy your health. Those modafinil/amphetamine stackers in the startup world might be shortening their life spans. LSD and psilocybin can make you go nuts. Steroids can cause cancer, heart disease, and mood disorders. But what if that's the price for exceeding the records?
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- mh_ 14y agoIt almost makes me sad that this comment wasn't explored deeply enough. It raises an awesome point that is often ignored. You could do this simply: a pure tour de France and a doping-ok tour de France. (would ppl tune in for the purity of the sport when times start to lag the open division?) Recent sporting questions raised during the Olympics (when is a runner a female?)(or how do you differentiate between awesome Nikes, prosthetic legs or hyper prosthetic legs?) all fundamentally challenge our concepts of "fair"
- jonathanjaeger 14y agoI don't think the musician/startup analogy works. Regardless of the legality of using certain drugs and prescriptions, sports players are competing against each other for a certain output. Musicians and entrepeneurs are creating a product, whether it be music or a company, that stands alone irrespective of the lengths they went to achieve that creation. The people consuming that product aren't suffering because someone else did the drugs, unlike the cyclist who is competing against a doped up competitor or the investor who doesn't do insider trading like others do.
- thebigshane 14y agoWait, who is suffering because of doped up cyclists? (The insider trading investor does seem different as `lsc` talks about elsewhere in these comments)
- monjaro 14y agoThe cyclists who want to compete without doping.