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Many things need to be understood to be appreciated. For instance music: we tend to like what we know, and what we know is what we hear on the radio/everywhere
by palata 1y ago
Many things need to be understood to be appreciated.
For instance music: we tend to like what we know, and what we know is what we hear on the radio/everywhere we go. When people tell me they don't like jazz, I always find a jazz song they like. If they say they don't like rap music, I can always find one they like. Why? Maybe because it's closer to what they already understand (making it more accessible), or maybe it has been very popular and so they've already heard it countless times (in night clubs, on the radio, ...). Most people who dislike a whole music genre generally don't really understand it and haven't put any effort into it.
You don't like churches? Go to Notre-Dame in Paris, and have someone explain to you its architecture. How they built it, how you can date the parts of the church just from its architecture.
Don't get me wrong: it's possible to dislike stuff, and it's alright. But it's worth trying to understand before disliking.
- loloquwowndueo 1y agoI like churches, I just don’t like going to church :)
- 1c2adbc4 1y agoFeel the same about hospitals
- amelius 1y agoIf you don't like to go to hospitals, then about the only option is to like your particular disorders. This may also be the only option for disorders for which there is no treatment, e.g. tinnitus.
- falcor84 1y agoThere's also the option of waiting until your untreated disorder puts you in a coma, and then you can enjoy hospital services without being conscious of your surroundings.
- falcor84 1y agoSame here. Churches often have incredible architecture, art and acoustics. I really enjoy visiting them when there is no religious service. And I've been to some fabulous organ concerts at churches.
- palata 1y agoSame here :-).
- yread 1y agoI wanted to say the exact opposite meaning the same. Going to a church or cathedral to see it, cool down or warm up is nice but I dislike the church of scientology, england and probably bunch of other churches
- mathiaspoint 1y agoYou can go too far the other way. I only stopped liking jazz once I understood it.
- spauldo 1y agoI don't believe that most people's dislike of churches stem from the architecture.
- palata 1y agoMy point there being that it may be possible to find interesting parts in things we dislike.
- carlosjobim 1y agoOf course it is mainly from the architecture. When a person who is mentally base sees something which is impressive and beautiful, they are filled with resentment and hate. Even more if it was constructed by people from the past which he thinks he is supposed to be much superior to.
- rsynnott 1y agoAbsolutely deranged point of view. Seriously, if you actually _believe_ this, consider examining it carefully. It is self-serving nonsense.
- carlosjobim 1y agoDeranged is of course to hate and resent something because it is beautiful or because it is impressive. Or someone.
- fluoridation 1y agoThere's a difference between hating because it's beautiful, and hating it despite it being beautiful. You are complaining about imaginary people.
- Podrod 1y ago[dead]
- spauldo 1y ago
- Raztuf 1y ago>Most people who dislike a whole music genre generally don't really understand it and haven't put any effort into it. I still can't get my family to get into noise and pigfuck, any advice ?
- palata 1y agoI didn't say that it's impossible to dislike something you understand, though.
- layer8 1y agoCounterpoint, understanding alone isn't enough either if you don't have an affinity. There's a few classical and jazz pieces that I like, but that doesn’t mean that I like classical music and/or jazz, even though I do get why other people do. Same for your church architecture example. I can appreciate it on an intellectual level, but in the end I still find it mostly boring and not my kind of aesthetics.
- palata 1y ago> Counterpoint, understanding alone isn't enough either if you don't have an affinity. It's not a counterpoint, as I never said that understanding something meant that you would like it. I just said that it's worth trying to understand before concluding that we dislike something.
- tomjen3 1y agoI would have said no on Rap before Hamilton. I would like to know your goto for Jazz.
- palata 1y agoEveryone is different of course, but if I had to try like this: do you know "Postmodern Jukebox"? :-)
- mordechai9000 1y agoNot OP and not a jazz expert, just throwing out a personal favorite. I think it is very approachable without sacrificing anything, and it has a recognizable melody (which might help or hinder the jazz appreciation cause): My Favorite Things by Coltrane. But I do know people who dislike jazz because of the unfamiliar rhythms and (wildly flexible) musical conventions, and that can be hard to overcome.
- xenobeb 1y agoNo rap before Hamilton is under exposure to NYC boom bap. Lin-Manuel Miranda is quite good but I am sure he wouldn't put himself on the level of Big Pun or Nas. Miles Davis - Kind of Blue is the best selling jazz album of all time but it is still a specific sub genre of cool jazz that might put you to sleep. Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters I think is the second best seller. I really don't know if I have ever read someone say Head Hunters sucks. It probably isn't what you expect in the same the way Hamilton sounded different to you. I would go with those two and if you don't like either I wouldn't bother looking for more.
- sojournerc 1y agoBrad Mehldau for a great piano centric trio
- taffronaut 1y agoMost posts here seem to be offering easy on-ramp listening for jazz, but they seem at odds with the spirit of the original post. For jazz that is off-putting at first listening but rewards deeper study, consider Thelonious Monk (Blue Note sessions 1 & 2) or if you are really up for it, Coltrane's Interstellar Space.
- arp242 1y ago"I don't like X" is of course not an absolute statement (and neither is "I like X", for that matter). I don't like Hip-Hop. Of course there is some hip-hop that I think is alright, but by and large, "I don't like Hip-Hop" is accurate. Different people are different, and different things resonate with different people. I find snobbery highly obnoxious, but to be honest my opinion of this kind of dismissal of different people liking different things with a fairly condescending "you have simply not understood it" is not much better.
- palata 1y agoAs I said, it's fine to dislike something. I was just saying that it's worth trying to understand first: you may still dislike something that you understand of course. > but to be honest my opinion of this kind of dismissal of different people liking different things with a fairly condescending "you have simply not understood it" is not much better. You haven't put too much effort into trying to understand my opinion, have you? :-)
- hshdhdhj4444 1y agoLiking certain songs within a genre doesn’t mean one enjoys the genre generally. Usually the songs anyone can enjoy tend to be the ones that are the most palatable and are not as genre specific. To some degree it’s a matter of semantics but to say someone enjoys a genre of music they should be able to enjoy the more esoteric songs in the genre.
- carlosjobim 1y agoAdding to this: Some classical music sucks! It took me longer than it should have to start getting into classical music, because when I heard a piece that sucked I just assumed I didn't understand it and that classical music was too complicated. No, it's just that a lot of classical music sucks and is annoying to listen to. But a lot of it is fantastic.
- ranger207 1y agoYeah I've been figuring that out myself recently. Turns out that I don't really like Baroque or Classical music, but I do like Romantic music. It was just a factor of finding that "classical" has more than one genre in it
- hiccuphippo 1y agoI've been trying to acquire a taste for Free Jazz a few times over the years and haven't been very successful.
- palata 1y agoYep, Free Jazz does that :-). And it's okay not to like it. But I find it great that you tried!
- strken 1y agoI tell people I don't like country because I grew up in the country, and I'm sick of listening to relatable things like one lane roads and escaping cows one moment, then switching to bible-thumping alcoholism when the song changes. Listening to any given country song might be lovely. Listening to the genre is painful. Sometimes the aggregate effect of a genre ruins the enjoyment of any given song.
- westmeal 1y agoBeer pick up truggs girls love my country gobless