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Tangent but: I am shocked none of these guys have been gunned down yet. Where I live, which is the suburbs in Ohio and only mildly gun happy by US standards, I

by api 1y ago

Tangent but: I am shocked none of these guys have been gunned down yet. Where I live, which is the suburbs in Ohio and only mildly gun happy by US standards, I’d estimate that if you went house to house busting in doors with masks and no ID you’d make it less than ten houses before you’d get a face full of buck shot. Some of the border states where they’re doing this like Texas and Arizona I’d say no more than three houses.

ohdeargodno 1y ago
ICE blew up a family's door with explosives, geared like tacticool nerds equipped to capture Bin Laden because one guy blocked them with his van. The whole point of this was to show the consequences of not complying with the brownshirts. Shoot one of them down, you might well discover they have the budget to buy F35s now. >Some of the border states where they’re doing this like Texas and Arizona I’d say no more than three houses. Great news: they've been doing this to thousands of houses in the very states you mention. Just not the white ones.
- api 1y ago
  Only whites have guns? Of course I would guess that undocumented immigrants are less likely to have guns since they tend to avoid anything that could get them in trouble. I lived in SoCal for a while and had several neighbors who I suspect were but of course never asked. BTW they were the nicest people. One of their daughters taught our oldest daughter to ride a bike. The scapegoating and persecution of these people is gross. If we don’t want them here we should go after the employers who create the incentive for them to come, but that would mean going after white people.
  - notahacker 1y ago
    White citizen gun owners get arrested and incarcerated on a regular basis by regular law enforcement instead of dying in shootouts too. I think the reality is when ICE knock on your door (i) you're probably not holding your gun if you have one and (ii) as bad as being in a cage detained by masked thugs and deported (possibly even if you're a citizen) is, being shot dead by them isn't necessarily a better fate, particularly not if you suspect they would take great pleasure in "defending themselves" against your unarmed wife and children if given a half a reason
amarcheschi 1y ago
As a non American, I'm surprised that the country with more guns than people hasn't shot yet somebody that might be as well be a masked thief who's trying to kidnap you
- mothballed 1y ago
  Christopher Dorner did something like that. Then the police started just wildly spraying bullets into any truck that even vaguely matched his. They even started shooting unrelated people delivering newspapers. https://www.cnn.com/2016/01/27/us/christopher-dorner-manhunt-officers-cleared https://www.cnn.com/2016/01/27/us/christopher-dorner-manhunt...
  - amarcheschi 1y ago
    "Eight Los Angeles police officers who collectively fired 107 shots at two women delivering newspapers in a truck that police had mistaken for one belonging to renegade ex-cop Christopher Dorner will not face criminal charges, the Los Angeles County District Attorney’s Office said Wednesday. " Wow
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- btreecat 1y ago
  > As a non American, I'm surprised that the country with more guns than people hasn't shot yet somebody that might be as well be a masked thief who's trying to kidnap you https://www.khou.com/article/news/crime/men-impersonating-police-shot-bellnole-drive/285-931f39d1-2f01-4654-b56a-cc11abaaaf72 https://www.khou.com/article/news/crime/men-impersonating-po...
mapt 1y ago
In places with guns they're not busting doors down, they're black bagging people on their way out of routine courtroom proceedings. A big part of the problem here is foundational - that Stephen Miller, Donald Trump, and even Joe Biden deny that the asylum process is a human right or a legitimate mandatory administrative process. These people are often somewhere in the legal, well-documented asylum process after entering from Mexico and walking into an immigration office immediately, they're checking in with a parole process on a regular basis, and Miller/ICE terms them "Undocumented" or "Illegal" and deports them to South Sudan. The courts have not deigned to stop them.
pkulak 1y ago
This is the exact tyranny that the second amendment supposedly prevents.
pjc50 1y ago
The US has an insanely high level of violent rhetoric compared to the low amount of targeted political violence that actually happens. Only very occasional events like Jan 6th break the barrier. And a senator got shot. Some sort of escalation feels inevitable? (I'm excluding mass shootings as "non-targeted but often political violence")
- notmyjob 1y ago
  Our current president was shot (apparently?) just last summer. You’re not entirely correct.

by api 1y ago

ohdeargodno 1y ago

ICE blew up a family's door with explosives, geared like tacticool nerds equipped to capture Bin Laden because one guy blocked them with his van. The whole point of this was to show the consequences of not complying with the brownshirts. Shoot one of them down, you might well discover they have the budget to buy F35s now. >Some of the border states where they’re doing this like Texas and Arizona I’d say no more than three houses. Great news: they've been doing this to thousands of houses in the very states you mention. Just not the white ones.

api 1y ago
Only whites have guns? Of course I would guess that undocumented immigrants are less likely to have guns since they tend to avoid anything that could get them in trouble. I lived in SoCal for a while and had several neighbors who I suspect were but of course never asked. BTW they were the nicest people. One of their daughters taught our oldest daughter to ride a bike. The scapegoating and persecution of these people is gross. If we don’t want them here we should go after the employers who create the incentive for them to come, but that would mean going after white people.
- notahacker 1y ago
  White citizen gun owners get arrested and incarcerated on a regular basis by regular law enforcement instead of dying in shootouts too. I think the reality is when ICE knock on your door (i) you're probably not holding your gun if you have one and (ii) as bad as being in a cage detained by masked thugs and deported (possibly even if you're a citizen) is, being shot dead by them isn't necessarily a better fate, particularly not if you suspect they would take great pleasure in "defending themselves" against your unarmed wife and children if given a half a reason

amarcheschi 1y ago

As a non American, I'm surprised that the country with more guns than people hasn't shot yet somebody that might be as well be a masked thief who's trying to kidnap you

mothballed 1y ago
Christopher Dorner did something like that. Then the police started just wildly spraying bullets into any truck that even vaguely matched his. They even started shooting unrelated people delivering newspapers. https://www.cnn.com/2016/01/27/us/christopher-dorner-manhunt-officers-cleared https://www.cnn.com/2016/01/27/us/christopher-dorner-manhunt...
- amarcheschi 1y ago
  "Eight Los Angeles police officers who collectively fired 107 shots at two women delivering newspapers in a truck that police had mistaken for one belonging to renegade ex-cop Christopher Dorner will not face criminal charges, the Los Angeles County District Attorney’s Office said Wednesday. " Wow
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btreecat 1y ago
> As a non American, I'm surprised that the country with more guns than people hasn't shot yet somebody that might be as well be a masked thief who's trying to kidnap you https://www.khou.com/article/news/crime/men-impersonating-police-shot-bellnole-drive/285-931f39d1-2f01-4654-b56a-cc11abaaaf72 https://www.khou.com/article/news/crime/men-impersonating-po...

mapt 1y ago

In places with guns they're not busting doors down, they're black bagging people on their way out of routine courtroom proceedings. A big part of the problem here is foundational - that Stephen Miller, Donald Trump, and even Joe Biden deny that the asylum process is a human right or a legitimate mandatory administrative process. These people are often somewhere in the legal, well-documented asylum process after entering from Mexico and walking into an immigration office immediately, they're checking in with a parole process on a regular basis, and Miller/ICE terms them "Undocumented" or "Illegal" and deports them to South Sudan. The courts have not deigned to stop them.

pkulak 1y ago

This is the exact tyranny that the second amendment supposedly prevents.

pjc50 1y ago

The US has an insanely high level of violent rhetoric compared to the low amount of targeted political violence that actually happens. Only very occasional events like Jan 6th break the barrier. And a senator got shot. Some sort of escalation feels inevitable? (I'm excluding mass shootings as "non-targeted but often political violence")

notmyjob 1y ago
Our current president was shot (apparently?) just last summer. You’re not entirely correct.